238 thoughts on “Politics (Country Fried Edition)”

  3. ok, now that I’ve gone back and listened to the first little bit….ugh. “I’m going to expose the truth, and THEN get to the message” And are there really KJV verses all over the White House? I’ve never heard that before????

      1. Thank you Mr. Darrell. 🙂 I’m gonna look into it a little bit more too.

      2. It’s been a very long time since I toured the White House, but my memory of it is that the interior walls are plaster and lath, not stone.

        1. Oh, he said “stones” didn’t he? I thought he said “stalls” and I was picturing Scripture carvings in all the White House bathroom stalls. (And yes, I know that FBC Hammond has more bathrooms than the White House.)

    2. Yeah, I’m very curious if that is even true. That was as far as I could make it listening to that idiot make a fool of himself & his audience.

    3. The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

        2. greg,
          Jefferson believed Jesus was a great philosopher, but did not believe the miracles from the Bible. He seemed to think they were made up by people trying to claim that the great teacher was divine.
          His deistic beliefs were that the Creator did create the world, then pretty much left it on its own. Thomas Jefferson was not the great Christian that revisionist Fundies would have you believe.
          He was a smart man in many ways. Spiritual smarts was not his strong point.

        3. Ah, I see B.G. posted while I was typing. Jefferson’s Bible was more a moral than spiritual guide, in my opinion.

        6. The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
          — Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823, quoted from James A Haught, “Breaking the Last Taboo” (1996)

        7. That is, he thought that Jesus was merely a mortal man with good teachings that others had later on added myths to in order to make him seem divine in nature. Jefferson followed the philosophical Jesus, not the mythological Jesus, and denounced those who preached a divine Jesus:

          “My aim in that was, to justify the character of Jesus against the fictions of his pseudo-followers, which have exposed him to the inference of being an impostor. For if we could believe that he really countenanced the follies, the falsehoods and the charlatanisms which his biographers father on him, and admit the misconstructions, interpolations and theorizations of the fathers of the early, and fanatics of the latter ages, the conclusion would be irresistible by every sound mind, that he was an impostor. I give no credit to their falsifications of his actions and doctrines, and to rescue his character, the postulate in my letter asked only what is granted in reading every other historian…. That Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God, physically speaking, I have been convinced by the writings of men more learned than myself in that lore.”
          — Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, August 4, 1820

        10. This reminds me of the “Jesus was Lord, Liar, or Lunatic” argument. Jefferson considered the words and actions of Christ in the Bible and concluded that they would make Him evil or foolish. Not wanting to do that, he chose to discard those parts of the Bible and believe that the record was inaccurate.

          In contrast, I read what the Bible says that Jesus said and did and choose to accept Him as my Lord and Savior.

    3. you’ll have a lot of time for rollin’ doobies, when you’re living in a van, down by the docks where they send the empty ships back to China.

      “I’m still preachin’ here” – Well, la-di-freaking-da

    5. I’m never going to look at a screaming preacher the same way again. Of course now I don’t have to sit under their preaching anymore, Amen?

    6. So good… I’m pretty sure he could have screamed that Foley line and all his preacher boy would have still stood up and shouted for him. Ridiculousness…

      1. I second that motion…you could replace the audio in this video with Farley and no one would even notice.

        Ok, they would notice, because it would suddenly become epic.

        Ok, its already epic, but it would be epic in a good way.

    9. Is this guy the poster boy for those “Never Shake A Baby” public service messages?
      Or maybe a new “Never Drop Your Baby On His Head” campaign?

      If not, then what the heck is he on?

    2. Yes, I believe so. It is labeled the gospel by the likes of him and his followers, but it is not the gospel at all.

  6. Love the tissues on the communion table. I can’t figure out if they’re for tears or for wiping the grease off the fingers after the fried chicken.

  7. I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone so happy to say someone was going to hell. I’ve never understood why someone would take joy in the idea that someone else might suffer for all eternity.

    I’ve also never understood how anyone could be dumb enough to think apresident could hide being a Muslim. You can’t exactly hide performing the salat. There are people around Obama 24/7, and he’s never been seen to do his five daily prayers, which must be done at the prescribed time. He’s been seen eating during Ramadan. He’s been seen eating pork in public on numerous occasions, so he clearly doesn’t keep Halal. If Obama is a Muslim, he’s not very good at being one.

    1. Thank you! I will keep those tidbits in mind for the next time someone near me says that Pres. Obama is a Muslim.

      1. The problem is, those people are generally not open to being convinced by facts or logic.

        1. The fact that Obama is a church member, attends church, and makes frequent reference to his Christianity also apparently has no effect on people who want to believe he’s a Muslim.

          I don’t see why a Muslim couldn’t be a good president of the U.S., but Obama doesn’t happen to be one.

        2. To be fair to all conservative Christians, not just fundies, Obama is a member of the UCC, which was recently voted as the most liberal Christian denomination on one liberal Christianity forum that I sometimes read. (They excluded Unitarian Universalism as a religion separate from Christianity.) I think a lot of conservative believers have a hard time accepting UCC’s brand of inclusive Christianity as legit. Doesn’t make Obama a Muslim, but it does make him something other than a mainstream Christian.

        3. If we’re going to start arguing about which churches that profess Christianity are really Christian and which aren’t, we’ll be here all night (all year, all decade, all century, etc.).
          Most UCC members are willing to take Fundamentalists’ word that they are Christians, despite all the counter-evidence, so I think Fundamentalists should return the courtesy.

        4. I agree.

          I would think there are likely to be a lot more “liberal Christians” in heaven than the fundies could ever conceive of. And quite possibly there will be a lot fewer fundies in heaven than they expect.

          I even think that there might be a whole lot of former believers turned atheist in heaven. In general, their morality seems quite superior to fundy pastors. And could Christ condemn them for losing faith when the Arbiters of Faith act like the Devil himself?

        5. My point was that the UCC is to the liberal fringe of Christianity what the IFB is to the conservative fringe. Thus, it comes as no surprise to me that there is willingness on both sides (and I do think it is on both sides) to “excommunicate” the other. Neither of these sects of Christianity represent the mainstream of American Christianity even with its conservative-liberal spectrum. E.g., I think most would regard Southern Baptists as conservative but still mainstream. IFB, in contrast, would be regarded as extreme/radical conservative. Similarly, I think Episcopalians or ELCA or PCUSA might be regarded as liberal but still mainstream. UCC and UU, in contrast, I think can properly be regarded as the most extreme exponents of liberal Christianity in existence in the United States today.

          I suppose another way to look at it would be to say, there are liberal Baptist churches and conservative Baptist churches. There are liberal Episcopalian churches and conservative Episcopalian churches. Same goes for Presbyterians, Catholics, etc. But ALL IFB churches are, by definition, radically conservative. And ALL UCC/UU churches are, by definition, radically liberal. Thus, again, I don’t find it surprising that either regards the other with extreme suspicion.

        6. I don’t know… I would lay odds that very few IFB folks have any knowledge of the UCC and what it stands for. And it is all too easy to vilify what you are ignorant of.

          And I have two friends who are UCC pastors, one in Wisconsin and one here in Portland, both doing their best to guide their community in lives led by God’s love. It is, I think, the best part of ministry.

        7. This guy is convinced Barack Obama is a Muslim. I’LL bet he is equally convinced that Donald Trump is a Christian

    2. Also he has two dogs, as a Muslim you can’t have a dog. Furthermore he drink beer which is also unacceptable in Islam.

      1. Cant’ have dogs? I’d be curious to know where you got that info. I know many Muslims who own dogs.

        2. There are definitely Muslims who own dogs, but there are some Muslims who believe it is un-Islamic to have a dog. Many who do have dogs never let them go inside the house.

          I’ve heard of a couple of cases where blind Muslims acquired miniature horses instead of dogs as guide animals. Horses are Hallal (“clean”), apparently. Some even say they are superior to dogs as guides for the blind because they are less easily distracted, and horses typically live twice as long as dogs.
          Here’s one of those stories:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r86d43KJFkQ

        3. I have known several Muslims from the Middle East. To say the least, they were pretty lax in their observance of the nuances of Islam.
          One drank like a fish, the other had a serious weakness for bacon cheeseburgers.

          Most Muslims that I have known accept that their religion is part of their identity but it is not the sum total of who they are as people.

        4. A google search reveals that there is somewhat of a simmering controversy in Islam on the issue of dogs, which apparently goes back many centuries.

        5. School project, we had pen pals with a school in Uzbekistan. I was theas a pen pal with the other teacher, she was Muslim. She was surprised to see a pic of our dog in the house. She seemed to have a general disdain for dogs. I asked why, she said families could have them for work or livestock, but they were unclean..and the angels would not visit their homes if a dog was in there…That was her explanation!

    3. He did say Obama was a “Black Muslim” or possibly “black Muslim”; it’s not clear which is meant; the Black Muslim organizations, many of which are not observant Muslims as far as the Middle-East groups are concerned.

      He is clearly not an observant Muslim.

      2. Actually, he said “BLAA-A-A-AA-A-A-AA-A-CK Muslim,” the clear implication being that being black makes it worse.

    4. Dear Josh D:

      I’m open to the possibility that ‘Muslim’ line is part of a cynical narrative by which our population’s most regressive elements define themselves and communicate their vision to anyone stupid enough to listen. But hey — what do you expect from a self-admitted socialist …

      Christian Socialist

  8. This guy is clueless. Did he get the memo? It’s not the trade deficits, it’s the gay people! 😈

  9. Assertions:
    When preaching about Jesus and the Gospel just isn’t enough.

    When you run out of Bible knowledge, scream about whatever comes to mind. – The Book of Preaching 13:69

    1. If you are careful to make sure you never get any bible knowledge, you can scream about the things you want to all the time. Haymen!

  10. This is the worst example of IFB preaching you’ve ever posted, Darrell. Consider that a high compliment. :mrgreen:

    1. Yes. Forgive me for me crudeness, but I call this preacher p*rn, and this is some of the best…er, worst.

    2. It was the first time for me that the sheer noise of the screaming was so great that I honestly couldn’t make out all that he was saying.

  11. “Is it all trade deficits that are a sign of the impending rapture or only those involving the United States?”

    Brilliant. For the USA to have a trade defecit, someone (another nation, or group of nations) must have a trade surpluss (germany being one such exmaple). Overall (accross all nations), there should be a balance of trade.

    1. Trade deficits as a sign of the Rapture? That’s a new one, and it isn’t even very interesting compared to most. 😕
      Not that I can really understand what this guy is saying, or rather, screaming. 🙄

    2. Always assuming, as good fundies do, that trade deficits are per se a bad thing. In fact, many economic theorists believe they are a sign of a strong economy, not a weak economy, essentially because we can afford to buy more than we sell. (In the most technical sense, we ARE exporting something, namely, our currency.) I am NOT an economist but it seems to me that the economic picture here is a lot more nuanced than simply which countries send more exports of goods to other countries.

  12. Really sad! This is close to where I live. My brother and sister inlaw go to this church. They tried to get us to visit. The people that run in this circle have an extreme hatred for Christians that aren’t like them!

  13. Good news: This guy may be young, but he won’t be preaching long before his vocal cords give way.

  14. At 2:20 in the message he says, “This ain’t got nothing to do with the Bible”. Sounds like all of his “preaching”.

  15. I can’t believe I made it through the whole thing. I sat through this kind of screaming preaching as a kid and a teen…I’m glad I don’t have to anymore if I don’t want to.

    1. Same here – this was standard fare for me when growing up… I look on it in amazement now, and wonder what my kids would think if I took them to a church service like this. I actually used to think it was cool and funny when I was a teen. Except for the sermons when they screamed about hell and scared us all to death. Honestly, if this guy came to my town, I might go just for the entertainment value. You truly can’t make this stuff up.

  16. What an idiot. And the crowd cheers despite the fact that no Scripture is in the sermon.

    There he is, lying about Obama’s faith, just lusting for him to go to hell.

    Ever notice how so much fire and brimstone preaching is loaded with anticipation? They want to be the ones to throw people in!

    As for the trade deficit, it sure is a sign that the US has made some very bad trade decisions. But prophesy? I find it amusing that the United States is not even mentioned in the Bible. Neither is China. There are 4 continents of the world not mentioned in the Bible.

    But, after the rapture, before the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, I expect the Great Physician to put this glutton on a diet. No more fried chicken, and he gets only one plate, no seconds.

  17. It always amazes me how little fundies actually talk about the Scripture in their message. I know this is only a segment of his preaching but for all the deification of the Bible in fundamentalism (and I should probably add KJV especially), they throw in some scripture here and there and then go off on long rants that have nothing to do with the Scripture.
    He at least admits that this part of the rant has nothing to do with the Bible but if the Bible is inerrant, fully God preserved, salvation only comes through the word, then one would think Scripture would be the topic of choice. Heck, they deify the KJV so much that I have heard some say you cannot be saved using any other version. I would think all they would have to do is stand up there and read verses and say nothing else. The Bible is so powerful according to them.

    1. Spot on!

      Fundies are all talk when it comes to Scripture.

      They refuse (for the most part) to really learn the ancient languages and prefer to use verses as a springboard to rant about whatever they want instead of teaching the verse in context. They sometimes claim to be moved by the Spirit in their choice of topics (God laid this message on my heart…)…but they are not charismatic, of course.

  18. Admittedly, I’m in Cubeland and should be diligently working on a report so I could not watch the whole video. I just had to say the initial frame of him throwing up a Hitlergruß is so very appropriate

    1. A lot of similiarities in the speaking style, of the former dictator and this present one —- just saying

  19. He said one thing that is true: “This ain’t got nuthin’ to do with the Bible”.

    The rest of it Blech.

    I thought it was taking prayer out of schools that doomed the country, turns out it is trade deficits.

    1. Let’s be clear, apathetic, it was taking prayer out of the schools that CAUSED our trade deficits. The former was the evil thing America did. The latter is just the start of the end times when the Chinese are going to make us all take the Mark of the Beast.

      1. It never occurred to me before that the Chinese would force us to take the Mark of the Beast. It must be due to their rampant Beast Worship. (Year of the Rabbit, Year of the Duck etc). Soon they will be forcing us to celebrate the Year of the Beast. I am glad you shared that with me brother. I need to go update my Facebook status with this new insight.

        1. Haven’t you heard that the Mark of the Beast is going to be an implant of a microchip the size of a grain of rice?? And who eats rice, I ask you! The Chinese!!!!! Praise God for this marvelous insight beyond all that we ask or think!!

      3. “They took prayer out of the schools” — THE one, great, simplistic answer that fundies and evangelicals give in trying to explain the reason why things go awry in the U.S.

        When you don’t want to think, the easiest thing to do is find a scapegoat. 🙄

        1. And anybody who points out that “they” took the ability for secular authorities to enforce prayer out of the secular schools, that anybody is free to say grace over their lunch at any time, and that denying schools the ability to make your kids pray their way is a good thing . . . well, that’s just secular humanist liberal communist gay talk. 🙄

  20. I would be willing to bet $25 that this guy is a Birfer too. He seems to have the intellectual depth required for that viewpoint.

  21. I am so tired of ignorant people who have never taken a global finance course moaning about the trade deficit. Get an education, please. I was going to use the plural of “ignoramus” but couldn’t figure out if it ended in an “s” or an “i”.

    2. I’m with you on this one, Doctor. I’ll give 1,000,000-to-1 odds that this guy couldn’t even identify the author of “An Inquiry into the nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations”…yet he is BAM! qualified to lecture on global finance, the relationship between our trade imbalance and the value of the dollar, etc. Fundy ordination definitely bestows vast knowledge upon the ordainee. (In other denominations the knowledge of the ordainee leads to the ordination, but in fundydom the ordination bestows knowledge. Go figure.)

      1. And many mennogawd want their members to counsel with them for all major life decisions! As if they really have a clue…How much real life training did they get in that Bible College/Romper Room?

        Oy

      1. Good point! They were probably made in Asia somewhere. My wife and I used to occasionally play a game when we had to wait in a store. We would race each other to find something manufactured in the USA. (Books, magazines and greeting cards didn’t count). It can sometimes take a long time to find something. You are liable to attract security’s attention while playing this game.

        1. As far as I know, there are only 3 companies of any size that make off-the-peg suits in the USA:
          1. Oxxford [yes, there are two x’s] (Tom James)
          2. Hickey-Freeman
          3. HSM/Hart Schaeffer Marx

          I don’t know what they pay their people, but HSM suits start around $750, Hickey-Freeman around $1,000, and Oxxford about $2,500. My guess is that this guy doesn’t pay more than $150/ea for his.

        2. Bro Bluto, I remember Dr Jorgensen (HAC honcho) talking about HSM suits. I think he said something that he would tithe on the value of the suit if someone gave him one and for some reason the HSM name remains in my memory for lo these many decades.

    5. And we ALL KNOW that Barack H. Obama invented trade deficits.
      Before 2009, the U.S. never had a trade deficit, right? 🙄

    6. Definitely prefer ignorami. As an expression.

      And there’s no hope of getting people to understand the tradeoffs involved in a trade deficit.

  22. I’m sure the multiple polyps on his vocal chords is a source of pride that he is counted worthy to suffer (like Paul) for Christ. It certainly is for Preacher Buzzcut Jr sitting in the choir pew right behind him.

  23. So I wonder how those African-American kids sitting behind him felt about his derogatory description of the Pres. as a “black” Muslim? I wonder why one would feel the need to distinguish between “black” Muslims and other Muslims? I wonder if it ever occurred to him that he might hurt those boys’ feelings to hear their own ethnicity used as an epithet?

    Peace,

    1. In Cletus’ defense (I can’t believe I am defending this yahoo) there is quite a difference in the US between African-American Islam and Islam as practiced by most other ethnicities. I doubt Brother Clodhopper knows that though.

        1. Which was my point. People who assert that the Pres is Muslim cite his Kenyan father or his Indonesian step-father. I’ve never heard tat he was connected to Farrakan’s group.

          Peace,

    2. I couldn’t help but start to cringe after he said “BBBBBLLLAAACCCKKK muslim”…and then slowly turn around to see two young impressionable black males behind him. I hope he looked them in the eye and then felt guilt, but I doubt. What made me even more sad is that the young men nodded. I hope they get out of all that (as everyone else in there).

    3. The movement known as “Black Muslims” (more formally, the Nation of Islam)– the group currently led by Louis Farrakhan Muhammad, Sr.– has some huge differences with other schools of Islam. Most black people who are Muslims, even here in the U.S., are not Black Muslims in the sense of membership the Nation of Islam movement.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam

      But that’s probably not what Bubba here means. He just figures “black is bad, and Muslims are bad, so black X Muslim = bad squared.”

  24. Wow, this video isn’t even the craziest part of it. Find this “preachin” on youtube. Gems like praising the McDonalds .99 double cheeseburger: “I’ll die happy, I’ll die fat; probably tomorrow”. Also, everything in the story of Hagar and Ishmael is a type. And Noah landed on Ararat because that was where the last man died. I couldn;t make this up.

  26. So, by Black Muslim did he mean the Nation of Islam, the Islamic splinter group founded in Detroit? Or maybe the group led by Malcolm X? Or, as has been stated, a Muslim that is also a black man?

    I also seriously doubt we are sending empty ships to China. Somehow all of the grain, cotton, and soybeans (among other items) we trade have to get there. I think in 2011 we had a trade surplus with China. Maybe trade, like weather, is cyclical. Some years more goes one way, some another.

    1. We largely ship raw materials to China (and other low-wage countries) and import finished goods.
      This makes a trade deficit in dollars, but not necessarily in tonnage.

  27. I feel sorry for the chubby young yes-man sitting behind him. Yes I am sure he is (and has) a huge ass, but I feel bad for him nonetheless. If you asked me for a picture of what brainwashing looked like, I would refer you to the look of placid submission on his smug, self-satisfied face.

    1. For some reason I feel that might be some of the screecher’s progeny. I can’t prove it but the haircut, body type and face shape seem similar.

      1. Frequently in fundystan, the brainwashed = the progeny. My wife and I ended up on Steve Anderson’s wife’s blog last night and I was just so sad to see them popping out kid after kid who will be raised to adhere to their evil extremist views. I used to think that surely some kids from families like that break away. But as my siblings and I get older and older and I am the only one who has separated from all that, I am starting to realize that the hold that fundamentalism has on people is very strong.

        1. It appears to me that for at least the past generation or two, breeding has been much more effective than “soul winning” as a means of producing new Fundamentalists.

        2. In partial defense of Mr Anderson, he is a Schaap-hater from way back. He isn’t all bad even if that is the only good thing.

  28. I’m sure if someone had even given him proof that there weren’t “KJV VERSES EVERYWHERE”, he would say that the democrats painted over them.

    Other observations: This must be a more “accepting” fundy church by the equiptment on stage. I assume this was a revival where they brought in a southern gospel group to draw people in. On stage was a keyboard and a devilish soundtrack player for the group. Pre-recorded drums in a box is okay, but don’t bring a full set in the church.

    1. I heard from someone I once knew in Bill Gothard’s ATI, that there was a tour where some “historian” (prob a David Barton acolyte) would take people all over D.C. and show them places where the Bible had been removed. E.g., supposedly there are documents that PROVE America is a Christian nation that the Smithsonian will no longer display. (Maybe because they are trying to preserve them?? Or maybe because they are sick of religious nuts always asking to see them??)

      1. Or maybe those documents don’t exist, or don’t say what the Baptist Taliban say they say.
        If David Barton is their source for this gnosis, then the latter is highly likely.

        1. Most likely they exist but do not say what the Baptist Taliban say that they say. The liberals have their Jefferson Bible and the conservatives have their Barton Great Quotes of the Founders. Neither is an accurate representation of the original.

        3. Fair enough. (Although at least some fundies know that the many volumes of “Barton’s Quotations” are not legit. Barton himself certainly knows. As do many readers of World magazine, so I hear.)

  29. I don’t know who this guy is, but someone in authority in this religious center is slipping. They have a guy behind the speaker who not only is wearing a plaid shirt, but he is sans necktie. This is wrong on so many levels. 🙄

    1. That is acceptable in Northeast Georgia. I think that is where this is. I may have even heard this guy once, I’m not sure. If mot him, one of his ilk.

        2. Oh, no, Semp! NE Georgia has Gainesville, which is the fried chicken capital of the world. NW Georgia manufactures tornadoes. Totally different. 😆

        1. Adairsville equals speedtrap, by the way. Just a friendly warning to any of you wanting to hear John speak in perso.
          (Knowledge not from my personal experience. Just passing word from brothers and friends.)

        2. A little further north of Adairsville is Summerville,
          If you are ever in the area and like folk-art, I highly recommend a trip to Howard Finister’s Paradise Gardens. http://www.paradisegardenfoundation.org/
          Mr. Finister believed God wanted him to spread the Word through his art, which was definitely non-fundy. (not KJV)

        3. That’s really cool! My husband is the artist in our house, and he loves folk art. I’m definitely going to take him!

        5. Dear Robot Gypsy:

          Skyline Baptist Church
          4783 Adairsville Hwy,
          Adairsville, Georgia 30103

          pastor Bro. John Dorsey
          phone 706-295-9832

          Christian Socialist

    2. Is it also in vogue in IFB-Georgia churches (gives a whole new meaning to the Georgian Orthodox Church) for a bunch of random guys to sit behind the preacher’s behind and scream and yell “Amen” at random moments? (I know, long ago, there was something like this called “the Amen corner” or “the graybeards” but I didn’t think anyone did it anymore.)

      2. It wasn’t common in my 20+ plus years of Georgian IFB exposure. There was usually a choir back there with at least 2 women for every 1 man.

  30. Made it a whole minute. I was reminded of the many, many times in the past I’d wanted to walk out of a “church” “service” but was too afraid to.

      1. Possibly a dischurch service.
        For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

        3. For the record, the Hegelian scarecrow is just one example of the many boogeymen of fundamentalism, as their name is legion. Mostly conforming to Jungian Archetypes…of course, it makes sense that Fundamentalism would conform to Jungian norms as his philosophy is based on rather subjective quasi-mystical assertions

    2. I keep mulling this over…the fact that I was afraid to walk out of meetings when I knew God’s Love & Truth were a sham. No, worse – meetings where God’s Love was mocked and hatred was elevated under the label of “truth.”

      And I was afraid to do something as simple and innocuous as getting up & leaving.

      While I’m sure a statement could be made for my (lack of) moral backbone, I believe this also speaks strongly to the deep-seated mind control techniques of a cult. 👿

    1. *ARGLE*GARGLE*BARGLE*BLARGITY-BLARGITY-BLARG!*

      AMEN, PREECH!

      That was about all I got out of it. I think we have vastly different definitions of the word preach. 😕

        1. Dear CS,

          I, for one, am amused at the idea that you snorted soda up your nose. I vote for Kreine’s continued services in this department.

          Sincerely,
          One in Desperate Need of Laughs

  33. I watched about a minute. It took me back 25 years to where I tuned out preachers who bellowed like that. I had a habit of telling them that when they yell like that, I stop listening and start daydreaming of dirt bikes, girls and fishing. They REALLY did not like to hear that.

  34. I stopped listening 10 seconds into this nonsense….

    I stopped when I heard “Aaaannnnnnndddd Iiiiii saaaaiiiddddd” and saw the “preacher boy” in the back stand up and say “amen” Why? Because the poor young man doesn’t even know why he was saying “amen”….

    Fundies give young boys this cookie cutter image to follow, with no regard for teaching them how to live a holy life. I know, because my brother won a preaching contest in our youth group, all while doing drugs on the side. Preaching just like this crazy man – trying to fit the image he was told was right.

    Poor kid was just trying to cover and block the pain of losing our dad.

    All that to say, these preachers teach these kids that if they can project a certain image, all will be well… and it is so damaging. To those who conform, and to those who subject themselves to this kind of “preaching”. My heart breaks for these kids…. Lord, help them finf true grace, liberty and freedom in YOU….

    1. Preaching is acting. Saying “amen” is reacting.

      I always used to fantasize that if I ever fell for “the call” and became a preacher, my first sermon would be on what the word “amen” actually means and the proper uses of it.

      1. I thank God I was born a girl, because had I not been, I probably would have “answered the call”, making it that much harder to get out of fundyland. Thankfully, I am a girl with a brain, so it was easier to break free after college. Which, btw, I think I went to school with your sister….lol

        1. Did you now? My sister would have to be classified, I think, as a girl without a brain. If you knew her, I hope you were in her good graces because otherwise she probably made your life unpleasant at some point.

        2. Well, I went to WCBC from ’06-10, and based on some of your comments in previous posts, I am pretty sure I know who she is. If I am right, then got along with her fine. Others I can not say the same about, because as I mentioned, I have a brain and apparently that is not promoted among women in fundy circles, lol. Thankfully my dad disagreed:)

        3. Well, regardless, she’ll be leaving WCBC in November. So yay for the people who didn’t like her and sorry for the people who did. I have another sister there now (started in 2011) and another sister planning to go there. 😕

        4. Dear CulotteswithPleats:

          Then there are the Fundanistan girls who have a brain but no opportunity to go to college. They see through everything around them but can’t do anything about it. Why? They can’t piss against the wall.

          Christian Socialist

  36. John 11:35, “Jesus wept.” or Ezekiel 13, “Thus says the Lord GOD, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! 4 Your prophets have been like jackals among ruins, O Israel.”

    Not sure which is more applicable here. So sad and so mad.

    The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. 2001 (Eze 13:3–4). Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

  38. Why do they always seem to equate the “power of god” with how loud and how crazy a preacher can yell, stomp around, and pound the pulpit???? What he says doesn’t have to make any sense or even be in the Bible so long as he can yell it or pound on something. BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGG MOOOOUUUUUUTTTTTTHHHH! Especially for the buffet after the service.

    1. It’s sort of instinctive on the reptilian brain level: loud = powerful.

      This makes some people fans of “heavy metal” music, and others fans of this kind of preaching.

      1. Interesting observation…. Explains why my parents were split on that one:) Mom loved the preaching and Dad loved heavy metal – I tend to lean more towards Dad;)

      2. I resent that! It is not my reptilian brain that loves the to watch Tanacious D in The Pick of Destiny over and over and over again…
        Oh the dragon’s balls were blazing
        As I stepped into his cave
        Then I sliced his burning cockles with
        My long and shiny Blade
        Twas I who slew the dragon
        SIng f*ckalay sing f*ckaloo
        And if you try to f*ck with me
        Then I will f*ck you too!!!

  40. I tried to watch it again & made it to 1:30. 😮 😯

    Are there no women at that church? Or was this a “special service” for the men?

    1. Kreine, I put on my pleated culottes, inserted earplugs and tiptoed back in for a few seconds. It appears there’s a woman on the left side, second pew. Someone has to serve the buffons — I mean buffet. Poor lady. 😥

  41. That was a hateful rant of a bigoted racist. I expect that his true hatred of the President lies in his being black, and the only way he could shout “BLAAACK” was in conjunction with the word “muslim”.

    The hatred of President Obama, in my view, hinges on the loss of power by one ethnic group. As we become more of a multi-racial and mixed race society, a dark skinned president will become common. Until then, it is helpful to review Foucault and his ideas about power and control of society. This might shine light on the rage felt by some of the older Caucasians. And, for the record, I am a white guy in my 50s originally from Alabama.

    1. If you tell me that you were taught Foucault’s social theories while you were a student at BJU, I shall expect the Second Coming any minute. 😯

      1. You’re right. BJU didn’t teach Foucault. Thankfully my education has been ongoing, if fitful, over the past decades.

    2. I’m not racist just because I don’t agree with just about anything Obama does. I don’t like Joe Biden or Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi either–or Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Equal Opportunity. Yes I Can.

      1. It’s not racist to criticize Obama for his policies. It is racist to criticize him for being black.

        And it’s bigotry to assume that because I disagree with someone, he must be a foreign-born Muslim.

      2. No matter how vigorously they disagreed with them, I don’t recall anyone ever claiming that Clinton, Gore, Bush, or Cheney was a foreigner or a Muslim.

      3. I see. Just anything Democratic.

        You don’t like equal opportunity? So opportunity should be reserved for the favored few?

        Perhaps you are simply a Bigot against Democrats. Or against people who are willing to find value in those you don’t.

        But you might wonder if you would be prejudiced against Jesus, too. Why, he might stick up for the poor, for blacks, and even (gasp) sinners! (You know, the real bad ones, not like you in the least!)

        Jesus would NOT be a Republican.

        1. Rtgmath,

          I hope you’ve misunderstood me. I simply resent the common assumption that I must be racist because I strongly disagree with and oppose the president’s and the majority of Democrats’ crafted “solutions” (though I sympathize with their motives). Any red or yellow, black or white, Repub. or Dem. pursuing the many of the same policies (foreign & domestic) as the current administration and Senate majority earns my ire.

          For the record McCain, McConnell and even GWBush have ticked me off mightily as well, just not nearly as much.

          I can now sympathize with your feelings of Jesus’ hypothetical political leanings–except from the opposite side. I too once thought that way, but I have met genuine Christians whom I later learned voted D. Honestly, I still have a hard time reconciling that, but I know it to be true. The more I get around and meet more people, including outside mainstream North American Evangelicalism, the more my mind is opened.

          Actually, I’m all for equal opportunity. My point was my disagreement with President Obama has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin.

          Hope that clears things up.

        2. Thanks. I appreciate your clarification.

          So you know, I used to be a hardened Republican. It went part and parcel with the Fundamentalist theology I was taught.

          Government was the enemy. Government persecutes Christians. Government took prayer out of school and made Bibles in school illegal (rot and nonsense, but it was how they interpreted it!). Blacks were lazy, loved welfare, and were all for revolution. Communists were everywhere in government. McCarthy was right. General McArthur was right to defy the President. Computers were going to catalog us all with the Mark of the Beast, and Christ was coming back to let all the unbelievers burn while we escaped. True patriots joined militias and the John Birch Society.

          And yes, Democrats were all considered unbelievers. Social justice was mocked. Education was derided. Even complex numbers in mathematics was a communist plot to confuse people and make them unable to calculate!

          So, once I started seeing the lies in one area, lies in other areas became a lot more visible. And at one point I realized that the Republican Party was as much an instrument of lies as is Fundamentalism.

          And the more I looked, the more lies were there.

          The Democratic Party is by no means perfect. But I see it as a lot closer to Christ’s ideals of taking care of the those in need than the Republicans have. To them, the ones in need are big business! It is, after all, a symbiotic relationship. Big business has needs of large subsidies and so they meet the needs of politicians for campaign contributions.

          Yes, I know. Democrats aren’t perfect. They are just better than the alternative. They are less lunatic. They are for individual freedoms and the right to make ones’ own moral choices.

          But it took me a long time to get out of the muck I was mired in before I could see it.

          I vote Democratic, principally. I am a liberal Christian. Frankly, that is the only kind I can be and still retain faith. Conservatism and Fundamentalism are so mean and cruel that the faith they profess is of little practical worth. Their faith leads them to despicable actions, horrible things.

          Christ challenged the Fundamentalists of His day, the Pharisees. He told them they had replaced God’s Law with their own rules. He told them they had missed the point entirely.

          So that is where I am. I am not a Fundie, and I am not Republican. In making my escape from Fundiestan, I intended to get as far away as possible.

  42. OY!
    I just made it to the 56 second mark and my ears are bleeding, the dogs in the neighborhood are howling in agony, and the local Tom cat is looking for what’s making that racket because it must be in heat.

    I have sat under screeeching that sounded just like that and God help me I have shouted “Hey-Man!” to that sort of crap.

    Fat, Arrogant, Loud and Stupid will only get you so far in this life… and much less in the next.

    2. Dear Don:

      I see your ‘Fat, Arrogant, Loud and Stupid’ and I agree. I’d like to add one more to the mix and present it thusly:

      F at
      A rrogant
      L oud
      S tupid
      E gotistical

      Christian Socialist

        2. A couple of ounces daily after supper will cure what ails you. Get the good stuff with pulp floating in it.

    3. Watch it. One of these days they’re going to get the biggest billy goat Gruff in here and you’d better hope you can hide back under the bridge in time.

    4. Like the dark lord of the Sith, Darrell is very much the misunderstood protagonist. If the pitchfork wielding fundy villagers actually understood how his villainy demonstrates his great love they would “get” SFL.

  44. At 2:26, “let me give ya somethin’ that’ll help ya – it’ll get ya real upset.”

    What the *what*?!?!

    1. If you need some other kind of “hep” besides getting “real upset,” I guess you’ll have to look elsewhere.

  45. Perhaps I can help translate. I have the gift of interpreting the unknown tongue spoken by “camp meeting preachers!” I have sung in more than my share of camp meetings over the years.
    He didn’t say the walls in the Whitehouse were stone. He said that above every “mantle fireplace” kjv verses were written. I’m fairly certain he meant “fireplace mantle.”

    1. He also said that KJV verses were written in stone above the doorways in the White House (which is false as far as I know).

      The point is irrelevant, anyway. The Old and New Testaments are accepted by Muslims, along with the Quran, so it shouldn’t bother a Muslim to see the Bible quoted. The Prophet Muhammed said Jews and Christians are equally “people of the Book” with Muslims.

  46. Dear SFL Reader:

    Several observations regarding our friend.

    First, I had to repeat the line where he starts ranting on the President; I didn’t hear first time whether he referred to our President as a ‘buzzard’ or as a ‘bastard.’

    Second, I got the impression that if we put plugs in his nostrils and taped a bicycle pump air line to his mouth, he’d need about 5 pumps before he exploded all over his platform. I found it hard to listen after that because I couldn’t get that image out of my mind.

    Third, I’d love to ask this guy if he’s considered the likelihood that those imports were made in American built/owned factories. This maximizes profit by buying labor at the China price, and by evading US safety/quality standards. It also forces US workers to compete with labor at the China price.

    These things said, I’m going to reserve judgment on the ‘sold out’ remark until he clarifies whether the ‘sellouts’ consist of US consumers who purchase China’s sweat-shop goods, US capitalists who build/operate overseas factories, US politicians who support ‘free trade’ which facilitates this process, ‘Americanist’ preachers who refuse to point out the process, or some combination of the same.

    Christian Socialist

    PS: In some quarters, it makes more sense to ask, ‘what ISN’T proof of an impending rapture.’

    1. Dear Liutgard:

      Sorta like watching an homiletical train wreck in slow motion.

      Christian Socialist

    1. Can you imagine a “Preacher’s School” (contest) with Steve and this one back-to-back? :mrgreen:

      3. Dear Preacher’s Daughter:

        John Dorsey is a featured supporter of North Georgia Baptist College. [His mug shot is displayed here: http://tinyurl.com/ld7fnct ].

        When I saw the photos of what NGBC call’s a library, I had to feel pity for the man. The frightening thing is that Dorsey preaches NGBC. Nothing like replicating yourself in future generations.

        Christian Socialist

        1. @BG; Once again I sit amazed at your discoveries. You are the Maven of Music and Movie clips. The Eclectic Elucidator. (Bows and backs slowly away, keeping eyes averted…)

        2. Thank you, T. 😳
          (Going out now to have business cards printed that say “The Eclectic Elucidator.”)

  50. Wow…how could any sane person sit in a service and listen to this guy? I couldn’t even understand him.

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