Are they saying just because you’re an underling doesn’t mean you’re not smart? I’m not understanding the reference. Must be something that was used in the “menfolk” circles where we women weren’t welcome.
UnderLINing. As in, underlining the words “souls” and “wise.”
I read “underling” first too, but the word is “underlining” like what you’d do to certain passages in a textbook or a verse in the Bible.
I thought “underling” at first, too. I’d say something Freudian is going on.
I’m guilty, too… Didn’t see how the picture and caption fitted with “underling”… speed reading FAIL!
UnderLINing in honor of today’s post.
I read “underling” too…it’s contagious!
I read underling too…LOL
I read underling too. 😯 😆
When it didn’t make sense, I reread it and realized my mistake. I guess when I think of IFB, I think of underlings, even though I underlined.
underlining.
I read “underlining” but my first thought was clothes–like a slip under a dress. 🙄
That’s what I thought too.
I also read underling.
With all this talk of authoritarianism…. wow, are we projecting too much now?
OOPS!! 😳
ALL of you read “underlining” as “unerling”?
Friends, you have all spent much to long in hierarchical organizations. Come out from among those dictators and be ye separate from that nonsense.
Ahhhgghh, George messed that up. Trying again:
ALL of you read “underlining” as “underling”?
Friends, you have all spent much too long in hierarchical organizations. Come out from among those dictators and be ye separate from that nonsense.
Nothing to say but that board is pretty classic. Looks like an old TTU classroom
That classroom was cutting-edge in the 1930s.
“Winneth” Did Charlie Sheen go IFB?
And how winning souls makes one wise? Maybe it just means one has a bright future in telemarketing.
If you can stand on a street corner and make people take little pieces of paper, you can probably sell anything. 🙂
As a “victim” of this preaching, they say that this verse promises special, hidden wisdom from God to those that go out and sell the church soul-winning.
If you read the actual Bible and not try to contort it into a bible tract passing night, it means someone that builds a consensus & wins supporters is wise (as opposed to top down management).
Brought to you by the people who also insist that “gay” still means “happy.” 🙄
Well, it does; that meaning’s just been overshadowed by the other one. Kind of a pity, “gay” was meant to be a pleasant, light-hearted sort of word. All apologies to homosexuals, but now the word’s evolved into a verbal landmine. 🙁
If you can get everyone to stop using “impact” as a verb, I’ll stop using “gay” to mean homosexual.
“Impact” used as a verb should just stop. Asteroids impact things, and teeth get impacted. The results are often unpleasant.
I’ll back 🙂 you on that.
THANK YOU petrushka1612. I concur heartily.
Brought to you by: The King James Lexicon to the English Speaking Peoples of the World, where words mean exactly what they say… except when they don’t.
Criticism is fun and all that, but what DOES this verse means? Just that it is wise to make friends?
They also point to Daniel 12 as saying the same thing about a special benefit for, uh, “soul-winning”
It’s simply stating a “truism” – a person who is able to win people over, is a wise person.
Nothing more.
They go to this verse:
Proverbs 11:30
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. (KJV)
Now what it means may depend on your MOG. 😉
It’s a cautionary passage to the wealthy & powerful that wealth & power are not ends in & of themselves.
v26: He that withholdeth corn, the people shall curse him: but blessing [shall be] upon the head of him that selleth [it].
v27: He that diligently seeketh good procureth favour: but he that seeketh mischief, it shall come unto him.
v28: He that trusteth in his riches shall fall: but the righteous shall flourish as a branch.
v29: He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool [shall be] servant to the wise of heart.
this is absolutely right. context, what a concept
😎 What jason said.
Good to see he understands that even underlining must be separate. That bulletin board is more than mere room decoration. It’s a credo to be followed for extreme holiness.
Everyone “knows” that wisdom is female in gender, and soul is male — thus, the underlining must be separate in their beings, and the verb is being is “is”, so thus are they separated Biblically.
(coming up with that warped logic warped my brain!)
Wise guy, eh?
You forgot the eye-boink, nyuk-nyuk-nyuk.
It depends on what your definition of “is” is. 😈
I’m “out from among them”…
Praise the Lord for that.
Hay-men!
On the internet, this means fundies USE ALL CAPS and TYPE IN RED LETTERS and UGLY FONTS and the occasional BLINK TAG. You can pretty much tell when you’re talking to a fundy who’s at the precipice of his own understanding … he gets LOUDER and MORE OBNOXIOUS.
If an MOG ever tell you to underline something in your Bible, get ready for he is about to speak ex cathedra and give the passage a whole new meaning.
Ummmm…not necessarily…
So Hebrews 13:17 really does mean that Christians should consult the MOG before making a major financial purchase and Psalms 105:15 says to not question the MOG on matters of doctrine? Those are two examples of what my previous MOG had us underline in our Old Scofields. Full disclosure: mine was actually a Ryrie.
Perhaps you should’ve underlined Proverbs 15:2 !
That was my experience. Hence the insistence on everyone using the same version of the bible. When you hear those specific phrases, you think of what you were taught. If you then look up the same passage in a different version, you can read what was actually meant in the passage. THEN go back to the KJV and read that passage, and you’ll see with a shock the KJV does have the same meaning, you were just taught to see it differently.
I had many AHA! moments when I switched bible versions after leaving the IFB.
Or sometimes it has a completely different meaning. Here’s Proverbs 11:30 in the NIV: “The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and one who is wise saves lives.”
I wonder whether any of the preachers who insist that the KJV was dropped right from Heaven admit, or even know, that it originally contained a translators’ foreword.
That is precisely the reaction I had when I started reading the ESV. It wasn’t even that anybody told me wrong things about the KJV, it was simply that my eyes just glazed over when I read it (one part familiarity, one part Early Modern English…). When I saw it put just slightly differently in the ESV, *so many* things just snapped into focus! There were many, many times when I went “is that really what the KJV says?”, went back and looked, and yeah, it was exactly the same, I just had never noticed it before!
I think this is meant to poke fun at the common fundy preacher injunction to “underline this word in your Bibles”? they usually have a specific “reason” to underline it, like, “See, Jesus washed the disciples’ feet. Underline the word ‘feet’ in your bibles. Washing feet meant that Jesus was humble,” or something like that.
As a child I always wondered if some of the adults I knew were ever going to completely “underline” their entire Bible. At the rate they underlined during the church service, they were bound to run out of real estate some time.
There are a few verses that will never get underlined in a fundy Bible (Luke 1:48, 2nd Thessalonians 2:15, James 2:24, &c.)
Matthew 19:21; Mark 10:21; Luke 18:22.
I highlighted all the juicy words in Song of Solomon when I was about 11. Then I realized how much trouble I would get in if my parents saw it. So I highlighted the whole book.
Then I realized I’d STILL get in trouble, so I started highlighting the whole Bible. I got about 10 pages into Genesis, gave up, and threw the Bible away. I still feel a little bad about that to this day.
Win!
He that winneth souls cannot be all that separate from among them.
You know, somehow I missed the mixed messages being given here. That’s a good point.
Great point. How can one snatch anyone out of a fire without being close to a fire.
With a 100′ pole.
That would be one heavy pole! Maybe it is aluminum and telescopic.
Fundies treat winning the lost as if they are lifeguards at the spiritual public gene pool. Remember the lifeguard rules: Throw, Row and if all else fails then Go. And the same philosophy applies… there is more risk of them bringing you down if you go and try to save them… so just throw some tracts at them or row by in your big ol’ Gospel Bus… and then only if you must..go to where they are but make sure it doesn’t look like you are having any fun or enjoying just being with them lest you be accused of embracing the appearance of evil. 🙄 🙄
From my observation, this contradiction has always been a fundamental problem with Christian fundamentalism.
Yes, we cannot win folks if we are not around them. Look how Jesus prayed for us in John 17 and how He acted in Scripture. He was always around the poor, rejected, and sinful, because He was winning them to Himself by preaching the truth with love!
John 17:14-17:I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Sometimes I think the reason Jesus hung out with sinners, outcasts, foreigners, and paupers so much may have been simply that they were less insufferable than the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Levites.
I agree. I find this to be true today too as we work with people. Case and point:
Matthew 9:11-13: And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
In my “sanctified imagination” I can see a little sarcasm there…
There’s a verse in which Paul says rather directly that it’s impossible to be fully separated from this world: 1 Corinthians 5:10.
ex from fundyland wrote: “Washing feet meant that Jesus was humble”.
Actually, yes, Jesus washing their feet was an act of humility. Anyway, I see you point. Is there a difference when a fundamentalist underlins his bible over a liberal Presbytarian?
It was an example of humility. It was a custom in that land (though normally performed by servants rather than the master). It was a picture of God’s perfect ability to clean us. It was an example of how we were to treat each other. It was an example that fundy MOG’s almost NEVER follow.
It may mean that Jesus was humble, but don’t run the risk of limiting the meaning when there are possibly more than just the one point to learn from it.
It is interesting the two verses that are chosen here. The IFB are very strong on emphasising certain verses – or at least a specific meaning of certain verses of the bible. Others are completely glossed over or never mentioned. They aren’t really interested in teaching the bible, they are interested in misusing the bible to teach their values and beliefs.
Being dedicated to what the Bible ACTUALLY says is what led me out of fundie land. Now I am careful to divide what I was taught and what I know the Bible says. They are not always the same thing. 😯
Perhaps we’ve just found the true meaning of the words, “Rightly dividing the Word of God…”
When I first saw “underlining” I was thinking of the underlining of a dress! Thought for a second Darrell was going to talk about clothes.
I always liked the soul winning of the people that stood in the Florida heat, holding unreadable signs, and screaming at passing cars.
Do they really think that some driver is going to see them there, not be able to read their complicated sign, not be able to hear what they say with their windows rolled up and the a/c on and suddenly have them slam on the breaks, crying out to God for repentance? I don’t think so.
It is like people that protest abortion clinics. Do they really think that the doctor driving into the lot is going to see the signs and suddenly realize that he has been doing wrong all of his career? No, it just makes the people being picketed more sure they are doing the right thing and why won’t the police take these weirdos away?
Jesus never picketed anyone, or scream at passers-by? No, he came to them as a friend, in love and brought them to God that way.
I will cease and desist now and return to my church to be burned at the next Wednesday service.
I talked to a Catholic girl who stands with signs at an a abortion clinic near here. I asked her if she thinks it really makes a difference. She said, “I’m not trying to make a difference, I am trying to do what is right. I am trying to save lives as peacefully and lawfully as I can.”
So, this young lady answered my question of “Who are these people?” that I used to have when I drove by. I’ve seen her out there twice a week for three or so years now. I wave when I pass her on my way to work. I kind of respect what she does.
That said, if it was a group of men wearing ties yelling at people, there would be not so much respect.
“I am trying to save lives as peacefully and lawfully as I can.”
Even as a strong pro-choices, I can respect her position.
It seems as though you are comparing Westboro types (standing in the heat, screaming at passing cars) to dedicated folks that are trying to save the lives of precious boys and girls……….really!
If Jesus had lived in a country where they killed 4,000 boys and girls a day, He would have probably done MUCH worse than picket or scream!
Considering he overthrew the tables in the temple, he would probably smite the workers at an abortion clinic.
I was not using WESTBURO types, but more of the Ruckmenites.
I know you would agree by your position you’ve shown that there will be MUCH more than tables tossed and a whip cracked when Jesus comes again.
My point was exactly what you pointed out, that there is a difference in the way we do things in Jesus’ name. Some kill in God’s name, but just because we “say” it is in His name, doesn’t mean that He is pleased with what we’ve done.
I spoke to a young man once who was Westboro-ish in his approach. His response to me was that I was too pragmatic and fluffy in my thinking, that there was nothing more loving than sharing the gospel. He was sharing the gospel, therefore me must be loving.
I explained that yes, he may be “sharing” the gospel and that someone can repent and trust the Lord based on the gospel he provides, but that doesn’t mean God is pleased with his heart. Otherwise looks at our works and ways “Whoa! You are awesome!” And we know what he thinks of our works. It is our heart that he is after.
I can read the newspaper this October and be delighted at the headline that says, “Dodgers Win World Series!” But that news doesn’t mean the paper-boy is a saint.
[16] For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it; you will not be pleased with a burnt offering. [17] The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise. – Psalm 51:16-17 ESV
Sorry if there are errors… I don’t feel like proof-reading.
The End
Maybe I should have proofed it. George is a jerk.
Great point! 😆
Come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord. Paul’s exhortation in 2 Cor. 6-7 is a blessing, and it is a shame that fundamentalism (in my experience) twists it so badly as to lose the meaning.
Looking at that blackboard makes me wonder where Bishop Sheen’s Angel is, to clean it off. 😉
That preacher looks like Bob Benefield, pastor of Sequoia Baptist Church in Visalia, CA. I served as his youth pastor back in 1980. Benefield is still there. His kids are serving in various ministries across the globe.
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Are they saying just because you’re an underling doesn’t mean you’re not smart? I’m not understanding the reference. Must be something that was used in the “menfolk” circles where we women weren’t welcome.
UnderLINing. As in, underlining the words “souls” and “wise.”
I read “underling” first too, but the word is “underlining” like what you’d do to certain passages in a textbook or a verse in the Bible.
I thought “underling” at first, too. I’d say something Freudian is going on.
I’m guilty, too… Didn’t see how the picture and caption fitted with “underling”… speed reading FAIL!
UnderLINing in honor of today’s post.
I read “underling” too…it’s contagious!
I read underling too…LOL
I read underling too. 😯 😆
When it didn’t make sense, I reread it and realized my mistake. I guess when I think of IFB, I think of underlings, even though I underlined.
underlining.
I read “underlining” but my first thought was clothes–like a slip under a dress. 🙄
That’s what I thought too.
I also read underling.
With all this talk of authoritarianism…. wow, are we projecting too much now?
OOPS!! 😳
ALL of you read “underlining” as “unerling”?
Friends, you have all spent much to long in hierarchical organizations. Come out from among those dictators and be ye separate from that nonsense.
Ahhhgghh, George messed that up. Trying again:
ALL of you read “underlining” as “underling”?
Friends, you have all spent much too long in hierarchical organizations. Come out from among those dictators and be ye separate from that nonsense.
Nothing to say but that board is pretty classic. Looks like an old TTU classroom
That classroom was cutting-edge in the 1930s.
“Winneth” Did Charlie Sheen go IFB?
And how winning souls makes one wise? Maybe it just means one has a bright future in telemarketing.
If you can stand on a street corner and make people take little pieces of paper, you can probably sell anything. 🙂
As a “victim” of this preaching, they say that this verse promises special, hidden wisdom from God to those that go
out and sell the churchsoul-winning.If you read the actual Bible and not try to contort it into a bible tract passing night, it means someone that builds a consensus & wins supporters is wise (as opposed to top down management).
Brought to you by the people who also insist that “gay” still means “happy.” 🙄
Well, it does; that meaning’s just been overshadowed by the other one. Kind of a pity, “gay” was meant to be a pleasant, light-hearted sort of word. All apologies to homosexuals, but now the word’s evolved into a verbal landmine. 🙁
If you can get everyone to stop using “impact” as a verb, I’ll stop using “gay” to mean homosexual.
“Impact” used as a verb should just stop. Asteroids impact things, and teeth get impacted. The results are often unpleasant.
I’ll back 🙂 you on that.
THANK YOU petrushka1612. I concur heartily.
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Criticism is fun and all that, but what DOES this verse means? Just that it is wise to make friends?
They also point to Daniel 12 as saying the same thing about a special benefit for, uh, “soul-winning”
It’s simply stating a “truism” – a person who is able to win people over, is a wise person.
Nothing more.
They go to this verse:
Proverbs 11:30
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. (KJV)
Now what it means may depend on your MOG. 😉
It’s a cautionary passage to the wealthy & powerful that wealth & power are not ends in & of themselves.
v26: He that withholdeth corn, the people shall curse him: but blessing [shall be] upon the head of him that selleth [it].
v27: He that diligently seeketh good procureth favour: but he that seeketh mischief, it shall come unto him.
v28: He that trusteth in his riches shall fall: but the righteous shall flourish as a branch.
v29: He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool [shall be] servant to the wise of heart.
this is absolutely right. context, what a concept
😎 What jason said.
Good to see he understands that even underlining must be separate. That bulletin board is more than mere room decoration. It’s a credo to be followed for extreme holiness.
Everyone “knows” that wisdom is female in gender, and soul is male — thus, the underlining must be separate in their beings, and the verb is being is “is”, so thus are they separated Biblically.
(coming up with that warped logic warped my brain!)
Wise guy, eh?
You forgot the eye-boink, nyuk-nyuk-nyuk.
It depends on what your definition of “is” is. 😈
I’m “out from among them”…
Praise the Lord for that.
Hay-men!
On the internet, this means fundies USE ALL CAPS and TYPE IN RED LETTERS and UGLY FONTS and the occasional BLINK TAG. You can pretty much tell when you’re talking to a fundy who’s at the precipice of his own understanding … he gets LOUDER and MORE OBNOXIOUS.
If an MOG ever tell you to underline something in your Bible, get ready for he is about to speak ex cathedra and give the passage a whole new meaning.
Ummmm…not necessarily…
So Hebrews 13:17 really does mean that Christians should consult the MOG before making a major financial purchase and Psalms 105:15 says to not question the MOG on matters of doctrine? Those are two examples of what my previous MOG had us underline in our Old Scofields. Full disclosure: mine was actually a Ryrie.
Perhaps you should’ve underlined Proverbs 15:2 !
That was my experience. Hence the insistence on everyone using the same version of the bible. When you hear those specific phrases, you think of what you were taught. If you then look up the same passage in a different version, you can read what was actually meant in the passage. THEN go back to the KJV and read that passage, and you’ll see with a shock the KJV does have the same meaning, you were just taught to see it differently.
I had many AHA! moments when I switched bible versions after leaving the IFB.
Or sometimes it has a completely different meaning. Here’s Proverbs 11:30 in the NIV: “The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and one who is wise saves lives.”
I wonder whether any of the preachers who insist that the KJV was dropped right from Heaven admit, or even know, that it originally contained a translators’ foreword.
That is precisely the reaction I had when I started reading the ESV. It wasn’t even that anybody told me wrong things about the KJV, it was simply that my eyes just glazed over when I read it (one part familiarity, one part Early Modern English…). When I saw it put just slightly differently in the ESV, *so many* things just snapped into focus! There were many, many times when I went “is that really what the KJV says?”, went back and looked, and yeah, it was exactly the same, I just had never noticed it before!
I think this is meant to poke fun at the common fundy preacher injunction to “underline this word in your Bibles”? they usually have a specific “reason” to underline it, like, “See, Jesus washed the disciples’ feet. Underline the word ‘feet’ in your bibles. Washing feet meant that Jesus was humble,” or something like that.
As a child I always wondered if some of the adults I knew were ever going to completely “underline” their entire Bible. At the rate they underlined during the church service, they were bound to run out of real estate some time.
There are a few verses that will never get underlined in a fundy Bible (Luke 1:48, 2nd Thessalonians 2:15, James 2:24, &c.)
Matthew 19:21; Mark 10:21; Luke 18:22.
I highlighted all the juicy words in Song of Solomon when I was about 11. Then I realized how much trouble I would get in if my parents saw it. So I highlighted the whole book.
Then I realized I’d STILL get in trouble, so I started highlighting the whole Bible. I got about 10 pages into Genesis, gave up, and threw the Bible away. I still feel a little bad about that to this day.
Win!
He that winneth souls cannot be all that separate from among them.
You know, somehow I missed the mixed messages being given here. That’s a good point.
Great point. How can one snatch anyone out of a fire without being close to a fire.
With a 100′ pole.
That would be one heavy pole! Maybe it is aluminum and telescopic.
Fundies treat winning the lost as if they are lifeguards at the spiritual public gene pool. Remember the lifeguard rules: Throw, Row and if all else fails then Go. And the same philosophy applies… there is more risk of them bringing you down if you go and try to save them… so just throw some tracts at them or row by in your big ol’ Gospel Bus… and then only if you must..go to where they are but make sure it doesn’t look like you are having any fun or enjoying just being with them lest you be accused of embracing the appearance of evil. 🙄 🙄
From my observation, this contradiction has always been a fundamental problem with Christian fundamentalism.
Yes, we cannot win folks if we are not around them. Look how Jesus prayed for us in John 17 and how He acted in Scripture. He was always around the poor, rejected, and sinful, because He was winning them to Himself by preaching the truth with love!
John 17:14-17:I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Sometimes I think the reason Jesus hung out with sinners, outcasts, foreigners, and paupers so much may have been simply that they were less insufferable than the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Levites.
I agree. I find this to be true today too as we work with people. Case and point:
Matthew 9:11-13: And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
In my “sanctified imagination” I can see a little sarcasm there…
There’s a verse in which Paul says rather directly that it’s impossible to be fully separated from this world: 1 Corinthians 5:10.
ex from fundyland wrote: “Washing feet meant that Jesus was humble”.
Actually, yes, Jesus washing their feet was an act of humility. Anyway, I see you point. Is there a difference when a fundamentalist underlins his bible over a liberal Presbytarian?
It was an example of humility. It was a custom in that land (though normally performed by servants rather than the master). It was a picture of God’s perfect ability to clean us. It was an example of how we were to treat each other. It was an example that fundy MOG’s almost NEVER follow.
It may mean that Jesus was humble, but don’t run the risk of limiting the meaning when there are possibly more than just the one point to learn from it.
It is interesting the two verses that are chosen here. The IFB are very strong on emphasising certain verses – or at least a specific meaning of certain verses of the bible. Others are completely glossed over or never mentioned. They aren’t really interested in teaching the bible, they are interested in misusing the bible to teach their values and beliefs.
Being dedicated to what the Bible ACTUALLY says is what led me out of fundie land. Now I am careful to divide what I was taught and what I know the Bible says. They are not always the same thing. 😯
Perhaps we’ve just found the true meaning of the words, “Rightly dividing the Word of God…”
When I first saw “underlining” I was thinking of the underlining of a dress! Thought for a second Darrell was going to talk about clothes.
I always liked the soul winning of the people that stood in the Florida heat, holding unreadable signs, and screaming at passing cars.
Do they really think that some driver is going to see them there, not be able to read their complicated sign, not be able to hear what they say with their windows rolled up and the a/c on and suddenly have them slam on the breaks, crying out to God for repentance? I don’t think so.
It is like people that protest abortion clinics. Do they really think that the doctor driving into the lot is going to see the signs and suddenly realize that he has been doing wrong all of his career? No, it just makes the people being picketed more sure they are doing the right thing and why won’t the police take these weirdos away?
Jesus never picketed anyone, or scream at passers-by? No, he came to them as a friend, in love and brought them to God that way.
I will cease and desist now and return to my church to be burned at the next Wednesday service.
I talked to a Catholic girl who stands with signs at an a abortion clinic near here. I asked her if she thinks it really makes a difference. She said, “I’m not trying to make a difference, I am trying to do what is right. I am trying to save lives as peacefully and lawfully as I can.”
So, this young lady answered my question of “Who are these people?” that I used to have when I drove by. I’ve seen her out there twice a week for three or so years now. I wave when I pass her on my way to work. I kind of respect what she does.
That said, if it was a group of men wearing ties yelling at people, there would be not so much respect.
“I am trying to save lives as peacefully and lawfully as I can.”
Even as a strong pro-choices, I can respect her position.
It seems as though you are comparing Westboro types (standing in the heat, screaming at passing cars) to dedicated folks that are trying to save the lives of precious boys and girls……….really!
If Jesus had lived in a country where they killed 4,000 boys and girls a day, He would have probably done MUCH worse than picket or scream!
Considering he overthrew the tables in the temple, he would probably smite the workers at an abortion clinic.
I was not using WESTBURO types, but more of the Ruckmenites.
I know you would agree by your position you’ve shown that there will be MUCH more than tables tossed and a whip cracked when Jesus comes again.
My point was exactly what you pointed out, that there is a difference in the way we do things in Jesus’ name. Some kill in God’s name, but just because we “say” it is in His name, doesn’t mean that He is pleased with what we’ve done.
I spoke to a young man once who was Westboro-ish in his approach. His response to me was that I was too pragmatic and fluffy in my thinking, that there was nothing more loving than sharing the gospel. He was sharing the gospel, therefore me must be loving.
I explained that yes, he may be “sharing” the gospel and that someone can repent and trust the Lord based on the gospel he provides, but that doesn’t mean God is pleased with his heart. Otherwise looks at our works and ways “Whoa! You are awesome!” And we know what he thinks of our works. It is our heart that he is after.
I can read the newspaper this October and be delighted at the headline that says, “Dodgers Win World Series!” But that news doesn’t mean the paper-boy is a saint.
[16] For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it; you will not be pleased with a burnt offering. [17] The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise. – Psalm 51:16-17 ESV
Sorry if there are errors… I don’t feel like proof-reading.
The End
Maybe I should have proofed it. George is a jerk.
Great point! 😆
Come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord. Paul’s exhortation in 2 Cor. 6-7 is a blessing, and it is a shame that fundamentalism (in my experience) twists it so badly as to lose the meaning.
Looking at that blackboard makes me wonder where Bishop Sheen’s Angel is, to clean it off. 😉
That preacher looks like Bob Benefield, pastor of Sequoia Baptist Church in Visalia, CA. I served as his youth pastor back in 1980. Benefield is still there. His kids are serving in various ministries across the globe.