110 thoughts on “By Request: Keith Gomez”

  1. CRAAAAAaaaaZZzzyyy!

    He must be at North Valley Baptist Church in CA. They Brodcast their services so that one could watch it live on windows media player or upload it later from an archive. There is probably some Tony Hutson gold on there

  2. TV, the most powerful force in the fundy world. Even a man of gawd can’t counteract its evil influence.

  3. Faves:

    “Brother Roloff” portrayed as great “manogawd”.

    “if you got a TV”. I don’t know if he does or not, but portraying those w/ TV’s as the problems is pure fundy standard trying to lay on the guilt.

    pray for us to be able to enforce our rules & come up w/ rules to stop these wicked students from calling each other & texting.

    portraying self as the great warrior battling all of hollywood on your behalf.

    Just pure egotistcal BS. I doubt that the 0 references to the whatever scripture he has the bible open to, is a fluke.

    I’ve never heard of him or Providence before that link the other day. Am already dreading hearing him someday talk about beating your wife/grandma/women.

    Just another tool. BLEH.

  4. It is interesting that the word of God preached does not have the power to overcome what is viewed on the television.

  5. So our God can’t stand up to the world? This seems to display a very low level of trust.

  7. At about 30 seconds in:
    “You have a man-o-gawd that’ll stand in the pul-pit 45 minutes on Sunday morning, 45 minutes on Sunday night, 45 minutes on Wednesday night, you mean to tell me that we can counter that with the Word of God after your child has watched 6 or 7 hours of the world’s philosophy, you’re CRAZY! Never happen. We’ll NEVER counter that! Impossible for any MAN to take the Word of God and teach it and preach it and outdo what THEY have done on television and in Hollywood. It’s just not gonna happen.”

    Well, he’s right. No MAN can do it. Since when is man supposed to do what only the Holy Spirit can do, and since when did God lose his power?
    I get it now. I get it when you all have been saying fundyism is man-centered and works-oriented. What a perfect illustration.

    Way to go, brother. Way to cover the proverbial backside when kids leave the church in droves after high school or college because your favorite hobby-horse rants don’t answer the deep searing questions or make the Bible relevant to life. While they are saying church is boring, that it hurts or that it’s irrelevant, you can blame TV, Hollywood and Mom and Dad instead of your lack of humble searching of scripture; the whole counsel of God. I’m glad my God says that with Him all things are possible!

  8. I don’t see it as him saying that God can’t stand up to the world, but that our kids have so much worldly influence and not enough godly influence. It’s true that if a kid spends hours and hours watching trash on tv, he probably isn’t going to care about hearing the Bible preached for a couple hours.

    Not that Gomez is the example of pure Bible preaching (I don’t hear much Scripture in this sermon), but he does make some good points.

  9. @Kate: Wow. Six months ago I would have agreed with him. Thankfully my eyes are opening to how much man-centeredness there is in Fundyland. It’s ironic because no doubt he has “war stories” of how a 30-second encounter with a gospel tract turned around the life of some hardened drug-and-alcohol-addicted skid row sinner, and everyone amens how powerful God is, yet God can’t take a 40 minute sermon and undo Spongebob Squarepants? I’m glad my God is a little more powerful than that.

  10. @morgan
    I agree with you. Too much TV is bad for anyone but what about all the food that went into making him as big as Jabba the Hut.

    And the question that rang in my mind while he was speaking (not preaching) was that evidently as a so called preacher he does not have much confidence in scripture and the fact it has power. Of course it might be that in 45 minutes on wednesday, 45 minutes on sunday am and sunday pm he doesn’t use much of it in his preaching – so it can never counteract the alleged 6 hours of TV.

    I know that my God and His Word are powerful… maybe his isn’t – you never know.

    Also his last statement on this video pure fundie chauvinism. It is always the wife’s fault – she let demonic influences into her life. He’s a goooood man!! Give me a break.

  11. @Kat, he has no idea what is happening with your kid, my kid, or anybody’s kid. If Dave Hyles, Jeremiah Owens, and the host of HAC grads who have been arrested for child molesting are any clue, sticking a kid in an IFB world seems to be far worse for him than television.

  12. @BASSENCO spot on as always. I don’t think it’s the NORM for HAC grads to be abusers, but even the ones that aren’t, enable abusers by their idiotic power crazed obsession w/ establishing an authority structure for themselves to sit atop and protect.

    His lamenting that he doesn’t have more control of his congregation & college students lives is terrifying.

  13. Just listened again! I LOVE his conception of himself as a sinless saint beset by evil people. Said he never did a thing wrong his whole life as a country boy, till his cousin from the big bad “city” came and introduced him to being bad. It’s a pretty unsubtle version of racism to claim the country is somehow morally superior to cities. I don’t think there’s many people who miss that he’s implying black influence in the cities, right?

    PS great big laugh at “now the matter of internet pornography is the most amazing [mumbled]”… I wouldn’t be surprised for a second if he thought internet port was the most amazing thing he’s ever seen. 🙂

  15. “Don’t blame the institution…unless it’s a secular one.”

    I wonder if his city cousin brought him something interesting enough to keep him from abusing the farm animals. I hope so.

  16. For a movement full of financial and immoral problems, the IFB churches must watch more t.v. than any other denomination on earth.

    I love the fact that they cut phone lines and are incensed that adults stay up a little late and shoot off a few texts. Control, control, control. Sad.

  18. Yes! Demonic forces behind all life’s problems! The ultimate cop-out when personal responsibility will not do.

  19. And that’s my church too…..I love my church, though. Born and raised an IFB, but raised by parents who taught me better than to have legalistic standards and cast the stone/point the finger at those who don’t agree with me or have the same ‘standards’ or don’t go to church or anything like that. I’m an avid reader of this site, by the way.

  20. A IFB pastor who believes he holds more power and ability to change people’s lives than the Bible. How surprising.

    And why do these men of Gid constantly say how surprised they are at how evil the world is? Unregenerate people can’t help but sin, (neither can regenerate, but that’s another discussion) so why do they always seem so surprised?

  21. “now the matter of internet pornography is the most amazing

    I too thought this was an interesting choice of words.

  23. at the porn comment my husband and I paused the video because we were laughing at his choice of words.

    I was interested in his statements about the fun he had abusing animals because I’ve always heard that animal abuse from children is an early sign of psychosis. 🙂

  25. Here a demon, there a demon, everywhere a demon. Another example of how IFBism is more like the groups they attack, then they think they are. When the preacher speaks he is infallible, not just in matters of faith but everything because he is the Man of Gid. The spiritual warfare looks more like stuff out of your extreme strands of pentacostal/charasmatic theology. Veneration of the saints(hyles).

    your brother in gid

  26. From the website for Providence Baptist College, “an independent, fundamental, Baptist institution”:

    “Our pastors, missionaries, and evangelists minister in independent, fundamental Baptist churches. Our Christian education students will help in independent, fundamental Baptist churches, home schools, and church schools. Our Church music students and Church secretarial students will prepare for full-time Christian work as musicians, music directors, and secretaries in independent, fundamental Baptist churches.”

    But what’s their target demographic? I just wish they’d spell it out.

  29. This site should be called “critical thinking and criticism… where we pick everything apart”

    Do you really believe that there are no demonic influences on TV?

    There were good things that make sense said in that clip.

    You want the IFB to look outside the box and see that everyone else isn’t the devil, but all IFB aren’t the devil either.

    And I don’t normally agree with Keith Gomez or a lot of the true fundie shenanigans with power tripping and all of that stuff, but good grief.

    There is a fine line between calling out faults and just criticizing for the sake of criticizing. Then there are some who criticize all the time and know it and are unashamed.

    I’d imagine many of you go to no church, rather than be subjected to preaching because you have become overly critical of everything you hear out of ever pulpit.

  30. Do you really believe that there are no demonic influences on TV?

    worldly? obscene? anti-Christian? sure.

    demonic? not really.

  31. I was in church this morning, where I heard more Scripture than I ever did in a week’s worth of preaching when I was in fundamentalism, yes, including the years I was in Bible college and had mandatory chapel in addition to the “three to thrive.”

    I didn’t own a TV for several years after leaving fundamentalism because I couldn’t justify the purchase and don’t really like watching much. Now that I have one (it was given to me, or I probably would still be without one) I rarely watch it, preferring instead to read or do things outside. Frankly I have issues with over-indulgening in the medium. I had an agnostic friend once who refuses to own a TV, so it’s hardly a fundy-only thing.

    That’s not the point. That’s not what is being criticized here. What is being criticized is the idea that TV is demonic, that it is somehow more powerful than the Word of God, that the Holy Spirit is somehow hampered by this “demonic influence.” Sin is not something OUT THERE; it’s something IN HERE, in the heart. We’re called to be Bereans; we’re not called to blindly accept what we’re told (Acts 17:11). Critical thinking and careful analysis are GOOD things.

  32. I’d imagine many of you go to no church, rather than be subjected to preaching because you have become overly critical of everything you hear out of ever pulpit.

    They are better off not going than to go and be subjected to most of the false gospel being taught from American Pulpits today.(especially in the IFB)

    If it came down to staying at home or going back to an IFB church, I would stay home without one iota of guilt.

  34. They are better off not going than to go and be subjected to most of the false gospel being taught from American Pulpits today.(especially in the IFB)

    If it came down to staying at home or going back to an IFB church, I would stay home without one iota of guilt.

    Which part of the gospel is false? What specifically do you have an issue with?

    The fact that Christ died for all? The fact that everyone can be saved and it was not set out who would go to heaven and who would go to hell before the foundation of the world?

    Ok, maybe a little over the top on that statement, but seriously, what part of the gospel that the IFB churches you don’t like do you have a problem with?

  35. Open sand, insert head.

    Perhaps you could provide me with some examples with accompanying proof that there is actual demon activity perpetrated either on or by the show?

  36. Which part of the gospel is false?

    The part that puts one person in charge of convincing another person of the gospel.

    The part where we’re told that we need to “really, really mean it”

    The part that favors technique over the Spirit’s work.

    The part that insists that a failure to hold certain standards is evidence that you “really didn’t mean it after all.”

    The part where people get “saved” again and again because they are terrified that they didn’t do it right.

    I’m sure there are others that I missed.

  37. I have nothing of substance I can add to Darrells reply other than anything added to Grace is works and thereby takes away from grace.

    IFB specifically preaches decisional regeneration and a man centered gospel where a weak anemic pitiful god sits around wringing his hands hoping someone comes up with another method or gimick to get people to come to some so-called altar, kneel at the pastor’s feet, repeat the so-called sinner’s prayer and realy, really mean it and be sincere. Say things like “invite the Savor in”, “allow Jesus to come into your life” and other mancentric usurpation of what is rightly, divinely, and only in the will, desire and power of God Almighty. The IFB preaches that man has the last say in salvation thereby denying God’s sovereign will, and purpose over HIS creation.

    I don’t want to serve a god that I, in my so-called free-will can trump, overrule and thwart His will and purpose. If I am able to dictate terms to god, then that is not a god worth serving. I grew up in the IFB cult kingdom and I heard that God was all powerful, and all the omni’s but the most important thing in life… was left up to me to decide? IN my fallen sinful state? If I was so dead in tress pass and sin… how can a dead man “choose” God? If none seek after God then how can a dead sinner seek Him and find Him apart from a work of Grace? But that is precisely what the IFB and it’s man centered false gospel is asking people to do.

    Wow, more than I intended to say but I’ll stick by every word of it.

  38. I came out of IFB…pastoring in Asheville where there is a huge pocket of IFB. Have thought about IFB recovery group. Any one have any experience with that?

  39. Pat:

    I know of quite a few people who are sort of doing it ad-hoc on internet forums, facebook and the like. I don’t know of anybody doing it in a “real life” setting.

  40. @Good Grief,

    As your friendly neighbourhood high-functioning schizo, I can assure you that I have never picked up anything demonic in any tv programme that I’ve seen despite encouragement to do so. Some of it’s fairly putrid, but I’m not going to attribute plain old bad taste to demons.

    By the way, the last time I saw Jesus, he and St Omer were in the back seat of my car chair dancing to ‘Jesus He Knows Me’ by Genesis. Seriously. (A large part of my scepticism about religion is rooted in the fact that I regularly see this kind of stuff, and I *know* that I’m nuts).

  41. “I’d imagine many of you go to no church, rather than be subjected to preaching because you have become overly critical of everything you hear out of ever pulpit.”

    I guarantee you that whatever preaching you would have for me to listen to I’ve heard at least a dozen times over. So it’s not that I’m overly critical. I’m just bored. Zzzzzzz

  42. I was up there a couple weeks ago for a friends wedding and we had to stay in the dorms. The whole place is one big taxidermy…the dude has shot everything and put it in that freakin dorm.

    We got together before the wedding to talk about the order of how it should go, and I got the wonderful opportunity to “pick his brain”…lol…actually I asked his opinion about the anti-gun laws they passed in Chicago just to get him going.

    Later it got a little more awkward when he and Bob Smith (my former pastor and his mentor) asked me what I was doing with my life at the moment (both of them knew I used to go to bible college)…what do you say to that lol. “um just working,” change the subject quick, “have you killed anything new lately, a penguin perhaps? Bow hunted any great horned owls? lol i kid…but it really was that awkward.

  43. @Good Grief I’ve been watching C-SPAN & C-SPAN2 all weekend, can report no demonic activity whatsoever on either all weekend. Am gonna program “demon control” into my DVR, and will let you know what I get recorded on that. Thanks for the heads up, yo.

  44. @Good Grief:

    “I’d imagine many of you go to no church, rather than be subjected to preaching because you have become overly critical of everything you hear out of ever pulpit.”

    I believe this would be calssified as a “No True Scotsman” argument in the discussion/debate realm. Becuase we have offended Good Grief, it is his/hers responsibilty to point out to us that we are not really good christians. I’m surprised we weren’t accused of being bitter. Another classic fundy stragedy.

  45. Darrell, pertaining to your comments you posted below:

    Which part of the gospel is false?

    The part that puts one person in charge of convincing another person of the gospel.

    The part where we’re told that we need to “really, really mean it”

    The part that favors technique over the Spirit’s work.

    The part that insists that a failure to hold certain standards is evidence that you “really didn’t mean it after all.”

    The part where people get “saved” again and again because they are terrified that they didn’t do it right.

    I’m sure there are others that I missed.

    I AGREE 100% WITH YOU IN YOUR ASSESSMENT OF PROBLEMS IN THE IFB MOVEMENT AND ANY MOVEMENT FOR THAT MATTER.

    Just want to let you know I’m not your enemy and I agree with you on probably more things than what you realize.

    God Bless All!

    Evangelist Lee Dean http://www.evangelistleedean.com (304)633-0241

  46. I’m not your enemy

    Which is what I tried to tell you that last time you came here and got mad.

    Glad to see you around. 🙂

  47. I didn’t get mad Brother. I have learned to laugh at myself and I do admit the picture of Christopher Walken from the SNL skit was funny. I’m not IFB “perfect” to where I cannot admit to having watched and enjoyed SNL!

    I do belong to an IFB church but I do not drink the “Kool-Aid” associated with the movement. I am my own man and just as I routinely point out errors with other denominations, cults, and movements, I’m also able and ready to do it within my own movement. But above all, I don’t belong to a Movement, I belong to the Master. It is He who I pledge my allegiance to for forgiving, cleansing, redeeming, pardoning, and calling me.

    God Bless You Brother and yes I will keep checking in here for an occasional chuckle! Just take it easy on me, hahaha!!! By the way, you ever put anything on here pertaining to Dr. Phil Kidd?

    God Bless!

    Evangelist Lee Dean (304)633-0241 http://www.evangelistleedean.com

  48. I see. Being overly critical is something only fundy pastors can do, then?

    Right.

  49. “Being overly critical is something only fundy pastors can do, then?”

    Yes, that is correct. You may know it by another name…….preaching 🙂

  50. @Don and Darrell

    So how do people get saved? God’s choice? We don’t choose at all?

    Just asking, obviously a hot topic, just looking for your input.

    GG

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