113 thoughts on “GOH: Calvary’s Love”

  1. I can’t stand the matching outfits….Just one of them existing is bad enough, but the fact that there are 5 of them is just horrendous.

      1. Yuck! Btw, so sad that I know this, but I think the name of the song is Calvary’s Blood. I know because I’ve played this for choirs to sing.

      2. I thought the whole choir had the outfit for a bit there. Wow. That’s a lot of green.

    3. OH! There is a pet peeve. Whenever I was in ANY kind of singing group they just HAD to all match. Someone (with no taste whatsoever) would go shopping and decide what would look good on everyone in the group. (i.e. what SHE liked, not giving any regard to anyone else in the group as far as shape or color or tastes) then everyone had to hike themselves to that particular store (where many had been set aside) to buy the chosen outfit. The worst were when they picked out fabric and a pattern and we had to make it ourselves. However those at least made everyone look equally awful instead of just unflattering on the bigger girls. The problem for me was that I never had money to buy the clothes they chose so whatever clothing budget (I didn’t have) was wasted on clothes I didn’t pick out and I couldn’t wear later without having several other girls point out, “I have that exact same dress” (not that I would have wanted to wear it later because it was always ugly.) 🙁

      1. I was never in a group such as this but I thought the same thing every time one of these groups came to perform at my old church in Michigan. We did at one time have a children’s choir and all the girls had to wear the same dress. A lady in the church made all the dresses and your kid couldn’t sing in the choir unless they were wearing the dress. The boys had to have a special tie but that was only a buck. The girls’ dresses cost much more. I felt it was crummy to disallow a girl from singing because her parents couldn’t afford the dress, and the girls were discouraged from wearing the dress at any time other than when they performed lest something happen to it. Why was it so important that everyone wear the same thing? ❓

        1. I can think of several reasons right off the top of my head, the first being how into outward appearance and conformity and all. But I think another and less proveable reason might have been that the girls/ladies in the group were proud of their accomplishments in that they had been the least worst talent and had actually gotten a gig to sing in church. The ugly matching dresses showed anyone who might see them NOT singing in church that they were a group. They were *special* and they BELONGED. Either that or they were just control freaks. Maybe some combination of all of the above.

        2. {George? Is that you?} How *into conformity THEY ARE* I think that was what I meant to say… Not sure now.

        3. Most musical ensembles, from the highest pros on down, have a uniform or dress code for performance. It is to remove distractions from the music, and to avoid attracting attention to individuals. In this case (having not seen the video) it looks like a small group of soloists is performing special music – that’s a case where you either (a) use the larger group’s uniform or (b) act as soloists, with no restrictions on dress. It’s pretty bizarre to have a special uniform for a small solo group.

        4. @M: You asked why everyone should wear the same thing? The idea originates, I think, in Hammond of doing things “first class” – if one attends a concert or a singing group, they are dressed all alike… so, someone brought that idea into the church that it was supposedly more professional to have all the members dressed alike. I do think if it is done well, that it is impressive to see a group dressed alike. But doing it badly is worse than not doing it at all.

    4. It’s nice that they let a color-blind person be in charge of costume selection. Way to not discriminate against people with disabilities!

      I’m trying to decide whether all their blazers are too short, or all their blouses are too long. Opinions?

      1. Blouses too long (or should be tucked in) But I am old, what do I know? That is how kids are wearing them these-a-days. You know what I REALLY hate? Is when boys wear their pants down below their butts with their underwear a-showin’. Now THAT is a trend I could do without. Maybe this is the HAC female equivalent… Put in that light, it isn’t as bad as it was a second ago. (Now they will probably ban shirts that show under the blazers for all future students there) {Cue Nelson from the Simpsons}HA HA

        1. Uggghhh, I hate that style boys wear too, and even some men. Honestly why do they think people want to look at their underwear? Or worse, no underwear and buttcrack… Oy vey! It’s ridiculous! 👿

    5. Didn’t a single person in that group know that lime green has been out of style since the early 90s?

  2. St Patrick’s Day special? Not everyone should wear that color of green. It made a few of those girls looked like they might be struggling with morning sickness.

    1. I don’t see him looking at them. He’s apparently too busy trying nod out of synch with the tempo.

  5. Love the boot at the bottom left that is attempting to tap along to the “beat”.

  6. What’s with the lava lamp at 2:12? This must be some sort of youth meeting?

    1. I thought you were being facetious, UTBDarren, but I went back and checked and THERE IS A LAVA LAMP THERE! A large one, too. What’s going on?

      1. If that is a lava lamp it is the biggest one I have ever seen. It seems strange too, since everyone knows the only people who have lava lamps are drug users.

      2. It was Youth Conference 2009. The theme was “spiritual revolution” and the decor was meant to invoke the cultural revolution and the revolutionary war. So, giant flowers and lava lamps and minutemen and cannons. Basically.

        All I remember from YC ’09 was the superfundy guy I met. First date: fireworks by the lake. He wore a suit and tie…in July! lol. Said he wanted to be the next pastor of FBC Hammond. He asked my dad if he could write to me, and we wrote for some time before he broke up with me at the next conference – he had a newfound “conviction” about dating in high school. (The one that conveniently had been hibernating for several months.)

        Anyway…I found out later that he had been dating at least one other girl at the time. He married her, and their full-term baby was born 8 months after the JOP wedding….anyway. lol.

        Now I have a not-so-fundy boyfriend (though he does want to go into the ministry) and my not-so-fundy-anymore preacher daddy approves of him. 🙂 I love happy endings.

    2. … And why is there a miniature suit of armor in front of the pulpit?

      Anybody know?

      1. Because Schaap is a knight in shining armor?

        Actually I would think it has to do with the Bible verses that talk about the breastplate of righteousness, the shield of whatever, the sword is the Bible etc. My guess anyways.

        1. if that is at the college it is because they called themselves the “Highlanders” (Clever, huh?) and they used all sorts of junk that went with the theme when they *decorated* the place.

        2. If they are the Highlanders, shouldn’t all the guys be wearing skirts? (oops I mean kilts) :mrgreen:

  7. The melody just seems so trite. It’s a song that one tends to forget three minutes after it is sung.

    1. but. . .but. . .It’s a Ron Hamilton song. He’s like, the king of Fundy music, right? 😐

      1. Most of his stuff sounds a lot the same. A little variety might possibly help a 2-hour cantata in which everyone in the town except the dog dies.

    2. My mind is just tuning it out for me. Anything that sounds fundyish immediately sends a signal to my brain to tune it out, it sounds like pretty voices droning on. I think I’m so cured of that kind of music… 😀

  8. The pianist doesn’t look Indy Fundy to me.

    Her playing is much better than their singing.

    It’s odd. I remember the music being better, somehow. More lively.

    Regardless…I remember the Youth Conference being deeply creepy. Hyles kept going back behind the curtain until the reception was equal to that received by the Beatles when they got of the plane.

    2. Despite the massive amount of evidence to the contrary, I’ve heard from at least three different people some version of “Despite being such a big name in fundamentalism, Jack Hyles was such a humble man!” 🙄 👿 😥 The level of blindness is astounding.

      1. He stayed in our home and ate at our table for a week. He was very gracious to us. When he broke our coffee pot, he apologized to my mom on his knees.

        I think that he was playing the Rock Star angle for laughs at that teen conference. But it was still creepy…especially in light of what we now know.

  10. The intonation, the feedback and other problems with this are just some of the things wrong with this song. But like Darryl, I cannot stand this waltzy feel. It ruins the whole message of the song and I find myself just feeling weird by the odd holds/pauses in the music and the inconsistent rhythms of the song.

    Garlock would not be proud.

      1. This song just seems to need more instrumentation than just the piano to make it sound interesting. I used to like this song. I introduced it years ago to my choir and it seemed to go well, although a few swayed back and forth mockingly during practice. I came from churches that would know and revere Ron Hamilton. The church I’m at now, most of them wouldn’t know who is.

      2. the repetitive melody line has the subtle beauty of a jackhammer – a little syncopation could have gone a long way to fix this one.

    2. I thought thats how it was supposed to be done. Awkward timing, weird pauses, strange chord progression, thats just par for the course with something from Majesty Music. There are about 3 songs by Garlock or Hamilton that are actually quality pieces of music – that’s two more than have been written by Mac Lynch BTW. Its difficult to sing their stuff properly without hours of practice because its so awkward, and yet fundies think its progressive to use this stuff in worship – no, its just bad.

  11. When I first saw the title I thought of Steve Green’s “Calvary’s Love.” I actually like that song and was glad to see it was a Patch song that HAC was singing.

    2. That’s the Calvary’s Love I was thinking of too. Banned of course at BJU. I heard rumors though that Steve Green was allowed at PCC.

  12. What a bore that was! And everyone looked bored by it, even the girls singing. Schaap sat there like he was thinking, oh, come on let’s get this over with! The girls sitting behind them looked like they were nodding off. 🙄

    As for those outfits, they were horrible as well, that shade of green was nauseating and the shirt underneath, well, ewww. 🙁 And I hate the style of wearing the shirt outside the skirt with a shorter jacket. It’s a sloppy look IMO, though it seems to be the style. 🙄

    The one shot of the pianist, looks as though she needs to comb her hair. 😮

    Well that’s my dose of negativity for the day, I’ll try to be positive the rest of the day. As long as I don’t see any more videos from that place. :mrgreen:

        1. I have to agree; I’m not sure who picked those out, but they need to find a new person to outfit the groups.

      2. First I thought my computer was broken, then I thought I was having a seizure, then I realized it’s just those jackets.

        I feel sorry for anyone susceptible to seizures who has to look at that row of jackets.

      3. I think it might be a bit of a sexist impulse, but I almost always feel bad for the girls in the fundy videos & frustrated at the men for not either knowing better or saying no.

        It’s not bad enough you have to train them to be that robotic in their singing & movements, you then have to dress them like clowns too? I don’t get why people do it.

    2. Everybody DID look bored. Hard not to notice that. either the syncopation is lulling them as Darrel suggested or perhaps they’ve heard this song so many times it just doesn’t mean anything anymore. Shouldn’t special music be “special”, so you have to pay attention to the words because you are not familiar with it?

    3. Jungle/animal prints are the clothing of brazen hussies who wear open-toed shoes and bobbed hair.

  13. I bet that these videos wonn’t get deleted because of copyright claims, because Jack Schaap isn’t in them with idiot wind blowing out of his mouth, plus I think the guy who posted them probably is an FBCH fan.

    1. HAHA “Idiot wind blowing out of his mouth…” HAHA!!! I am going to be thinking that phrase all day long. 😆 😆 😆

      1. Uh huh and I will be saying this not only when Schaap speaks but a few others… :mrgreen:

  14. Ah, the FBCH Flight Attendants Union, Glee Club.

    Look out for the left the pastor said
    Against the liberals and gays, that’s where we’ll land.
    I saw a falling star burn up
    Revealing we are at time’s end,
    Here’s the message god gave to me,
    Down at the Southern Missions conference
    Not the early one
    but the later one;
    Not the northern one
    That packs them in.

    Oh starbright, starbright
    He’s got the message for us all tonight
    Turn this crazy cult around
    I shouldn’t have got on this flight tonight!

    My apologies to Nazareth.

  15. 26th? Yes!!! Anyways, wow is all I can say about that. I feel sorry for those girls in those outfits. They did not look like they wanted to be there.

  16. Appears the blonde didn’t get the memo that everyone should wear their hair half up with a side bang.

    Slippery slope. Rebellious.

  18. That’s really a lot of cordless microphones there. Can they not afford mike stands?

    1. In the strain of fundyland where I’m from, microphone-holding equals… phallic-oral imagery, if I may put it delicately.
      Funny, it never occurred to me.

  19. Hang on a minute what’s all that clapping for? Only God (and the MOG) is worthy of human praise.

  20. I just love how the minute they begin the song, they bring their mikes up at the exact same time, angle, and height. How on earth do they do that? 😯

    2. They didn’t raise the microphones in unison on the second verse, when there was on “ooooh-ing” going on.

      Also, they need to practice with the sound guys; feedback at 0:17 and again at 2:12

  21. Obviously these are not true Fundys, due to the extremely distastful clapping at the end of the song. Way to give the glory to these girls, and NOT the Lord! tsk tsk

    1. When I was there we were not encouraged to clap in church, they must be sliding down that slippery slope to Charismatic worship.

      1. LOL…But naturally, the foot tapping (offbeat tapping at that) is allowed,nay, required, of anyone sitting on the platform behind the singers.

  23. Oh, and why, of all the songs they could’ve ripped off, they chose “It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year”?

    Someone owes Andy Williams some royalty fees. 😆

    1. All my years in Fundyland being exposed to Majesty Music, and I never made that association. But, egads! You’re right! 😯

      1. Believe me, there are plenty of songs published by Majesty Music whose origins can be traced back to other songs and other lyricists. My husband was talking just this evening about which three songs were ripped off to create that paragon of musical toetappedness, “Big Toe”.

        As he said, “I know what’s in Ron Hamilton’s recordings and a lot of it doesn’t check.” 😈

  24. my church plays secular music by foo fighters and creed along with skillet, thousand foot krutch, and kutless. I think the bikers and street people would riot and possibly kidnap these unfortunate koolaide consuming girls; then probably dye their hair magenta before making them wear low cut shirts and mini skirts. I am sure God hates lame ass music.

  25. Calvary’s Blood
     
    I carried a burden, a staggering weight
    And struggled for freedom but could not escape.
    I trembled and cried at the thought of my fate.
    What must I do to be saved?
     
    I desperately searched for release from my pain,
    But found that man’s wisdom was useless and vain!
    Is there not a power that can break every chain?
    What must i do to be saved?
     
    Jesus’ blood, flows from Calvary
    Breaking Satan’s power, setting captives free
    Greatest gift, of the greatest power
    Heaven paid the price with Calvary’s blood.
     
    Heaven paid the price –
    Greatest sacrifice!
    Heaven paid the price
    With Calvary’s blood.

    Dissect at will. 😈 I personally think it sounds like somebody wants to escape the tyranny of legalism, but is stuck there because Calvary’s blood demands it. 🙁

    1. In the chorus, I thought it was “Greatest gift, of the greatest love” (not “power”)

      I like the song; especially the chorus.

      1. You’re correct, GR. 😮 I did a C/P from a Fundy youth group site & while I corrected some other rewrites, missed that one.

        I agree that the chorus is pretty good lyrically; I think a less childish melody befits the solemnity of Christ’s sacrifice, though.

  27. The bald guy in the blue blazer and khakis (I know, there are several) sitting behind them looks he’s nodded off and could roll forward onto his face at any moment. What can I say. Our church had a pipe organ and to this day pipe organ music, no matter how well played, not matter how majestic, makes me yawn.

    1. Your simple question made me laugh and giggle. Look up the film “The 5000 Fingers of Dr. T”. There’s a song in that film (the only film with lyrics written by Dr. Seuss) called the “Dressing Song: Do-Mi-Do Duds”.

      Here are some of the lyrics:

      “I want my undulating undies with the marabou frills;
      I want my beautiful bolero with the porcupine quills;
      I want my purple nylon girdle with the orange blossom buds;
      ‘Cause I’m going do-mi-do-ing in my do-mi-do duds!

      Come on and dress me! Dress me! Dress me in my peekaboo blouse,
      With the lovely interlining made of Chesapeake mouse;
      I want my polka-dotted dickie with the crinoline fringe;
      For I’m going do-mi-do-ing on a do-mi-do binge!

      I want my my lavender spats, and in addition to them,
      I want my honey colored gusset with the herringbone hem;
      I want my softest little jacket made of watermelon suede,
      And my long persimmon placket with the platinum braid;

      I want my leg-of-mutton sleeves, and in addition to those,
      I want my cutie chamois booties with the leopard-skin bows;
      I want by pink-brocaded bodice with the fluffy fuzzy ruffs,
      And my gorgeous bright blue bloomers with the monkey feather cuffs;

      I want my organdy snood, and in addition to that,
      I want my chiffon Mother Hubbard lined with Hudson Bay rat!
      Dress me up from top to bottom, dress me up from tip to toe;
      Dress me up in silk and spinach for today is do-mi-do;”

      I guess Dr. T must have dressed them! (Pity da fool who confuses him with Mr. T!) 😈

      1. Too bad there’s no 500-boy White Piano! (the one in the movie blew up, as the boy pianists pounded it into oblivion) 😆

    1. Not David Cloud! Too “worldly” and “akin to rock music”:
      http://www.wayoflife.org/index_files/suggested_sacred_music_recordings.html

      http://www.angelfire.com/nc2/wayofstrife/patchthepirate.html

      “The Mount Zion Marathon tape for example, has a song titled “Lazy Bones,” which is certainly akin to rock music. It uses a syncopated rhythm with a heavy, synthesized bass. The music would be right at home in a nightclub or a sleazy Broadway play and could easily conjure up such unwholesome images as that of a saucy woman sauntering across a stage. Though it is tame compared to much of the standard CCM fare today, Patch the Pirate’s “Lazy Bones” will help develop an appetite in children for worldly music. Other examples of this can be found on their new tapes.”
      😯

      1. Wow.

        To the pure all things are pure. I feel bad for people who have to pick apart EVERYTHING and see evil EVERYWHERE.

  30. My sister rightly observed that every female group from HAC that we’ve ever heard sound like girls instead of grown women. I wonder why. Seriously. Do they make them sound like that?

    1. I wouldn’t doubt that it’s done on purpose, the idea being to make females come off as infantile as possible so when they marry their husbands are more like fathers than husbands, it must stroke the male ego for them to think their women are helpless. It fits in with those stupid women’s meetings where they put on the most idiotic skits and make women sing VBS songs with all the dumb motions stand up sit down, do this do that, and they have elderly women having to stand up and sit down with arthritic knees! If you don’t participate you’re rebellious! 👿

    2. I had a few friends/aquaintences make it into tour one year and they said their trainer made them sing out of their normal part causing most of them to sing in falsetto. I’m pretty sure that’s where the girly sound comes from.

    3. If you read the Schaap magazine, Christian Womanhood, you’ll see that the FBC Hammond/Hyles Anderson crowd does indeed insist that all women must be infantilized, or they aren’t good women.

  31. Is that Kina Fink up in front? Hi, I’m Kina Fink, and I’m a junior at Hyles Anderson College… where the sun, never sets and the trees and trees are made of gold and the righteous… I vaguely remember a song where they stopped singing halfway through to introduce the singers, and Kina Fink was one of them. And I saw a photo of her once and that looks like her up front.

    1. Try having to interpret this stuff for the deaf. It’s hard enough to make out the words on the fast songs if you’re not familiar with them but then they stop and rattle off their names, what year in school they are, their future profession, and someone has to speak for the pianist who can’t speak for herself, and you have to fingerspell all that. I don’t see why they had to give out so much information. Their name is plenty! 🙄

      1. Future HUSBAND’S professions; cause they’ll all be homemakers in the end, which we all know is a CALLING, but not a profession.

  32. The waltz tempo is so hypnotic…

    Waltz or schmaltz? Th

    A shirt tail protruding from a jacket or sweater is tacky. In style doesn’t mean in good taste.

  34. This is one of the chief reasons I have left evangelicalism and fundamentalism behind . . . the bad music. I can’t count the number of church services I sat through years ago where the music was tacky, mediocre (at best), uninspiring, and the same old/same old. When I learned that there were churches that actually did classical choral repertoire and which ignored most late 19th-early 20th century evangelical hymnody, it was a breath of fresh air. I’ve never looked back.

  35. I can understand having some kind of uniform for singing groups. If you don’t, there is the chance that someone in the group might over-do it when they dress to draw more attention to themselves, and too many different colors (or clashing colors) can just be distracting. But why not just tell them to wear a white blouse and black skirt, or something equally simple that they all already own? What’s the point of complete matching outfits (especially if they are that ugly) that they’re going to have overpay for?

    If the school is going to require those outfits for their ensemble members, then they should be the ones to pay for all of them. They won’t even have to worry about people wanting to keep the outfits afterward.

    1. You know, if you keep saying sensible things like this, you are going to be labeled as “bitter” and “contentious” and “divisive.”

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