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After crashing on the highway, “evangelist” Phil Kidd had this update for his fans:

His wife, however, tells a slightly different story:

This raises a few questions. Why does an evangelist drive a Jaguar and write with a Mont Blanc pen? But more to the point, why would any decent human being brag about their hair not being messed up when their wife has serious and painful injuries? Was she not sheltered in the arms of God or does she just really not matter?

I didn’t think I could lose more respect for this guy. Apparently, I was wrong.

597 thoughts on “Empathy?”

    1. And reading his “account” of the incident raises a few flags. Like how a car traveling at 65mph and rolled four and a half times left him uninjured and her badly injured but thankfully not stuck in the hospital. And was he under the influence of something (besides his own inflated ego).

      Now I’m no accident investigator but if that photo is accurate, then both of them should be a whole lot worse off than they are. She gets my sympathy. He, well he’s not getting anything.

        1. If there were any other cars involved he would have been sure to mention it (blame them) – police report public record maybe?

        4. “Ran off the road” is a euphemism for “can’t drive for shit”.

          Exactly.

      2. My initial thoughts too. I seriously doubt his per-version of this story. Anybody know where the accident took place? I’ll see if I can get a copy of the police report.

        1. I’ve been watching to see if I could figure out where to look for local newspapers that list the police reports. I’m sure someone knows where it happened, and the local PD report isn’t going to be transcribed from Kidd’s whitewashed fabrication.

        2. I would anticipate, reckless speeding, driving too fast for conditions, and distracted driving to all be factors in the PD report.

        4. Of course he spiritualizes the stupid sign:

          “The number is “5”-that is the number of grace. I landed right on grace!!!”

        5. Highway 23, also Interstate 26 if I read correctly. Looks like we have some good news for truth discovery. Maps indicate Mile Marker 5 on that highway is in Sullivan County, TN. Sullivan County Sheriff posts their accident reports online. They currently are only to April 16, but in 2-3 weeks likely will be up to having reports through the night in question posted.

          http://police.kingsporttn.gov/crash_reports

        7. Oh, I’m GOING to find out what happened in this accident. Kidd can get honest, or I will find it on my own, but I’m not taking this cockamamie story at face value.

        9. I may have read the Kingston PD search tool incorrectly. I do find some kind of accident involving it looks like 4 people, 2 people with last name Kidd and 2 people with last name Wilson it looks like. It happened or was reported on 4/29 (could be an attempt by Kidd to hide the report from his followers by misstating the date of the accident). Report Number 15-08767, and it looks like it costs $5 to get it electronically. If you search for Kidd on 4/29, the same report with the same 4 names is listed twice. I’m not sure exactly why, probably a vagary of the police system.

        10. Sorry, 4/30/2015, not 4/29. And I don’t see any reports by them for a Kidd anytime in May. Report says the accident was on Fort Henry/SR 36, which could also by an attempt by Kidd to hide, or an indication that this report is for a different accident.

        11. More good news, report number appear to be sequentially numbered by the Kingsport PD, and the last one I can find is from 4/30 15-08786, so I’m thinking they haven’t posted the first week of May reports yet. I searched 15-08787 – 15-08800 and didn’t find any (some of the numbers are empty, presumably from like an officer discarding a form and re-writing it instead of trying to scribble out & correct.

  5. Read through some of the comments on this post from his facebook page. I got sick to my stomach. I had NO idea how evil this man is. He deletes any comment that makes him look like anything less than a god, and then comments back to all the “mindless losers, ” and “perverts” who are concerned about his wife.

    1. Well, call me a pervert then because I’m concerned for his wife.

      Why are people perverts for caring about an injured person?

      1. I guess I’m a “pervert” too, then, for being more interested in his wife than in his suit coat or his fancy fountain pen.

    1. Yeah, but there’s no accounting for taste. In the industry, the Jaguar is known as a woman’s car. Not only is the exterior styling designed for women (the F-Type being the exception here), but the interior is actually designed for female bodies and size.

      1. The Fill Dirt Kidd doesn’t say which model he had (which surprises me a little), but a new Jaguar costs from $50,000 for the bare-bones version of the cheapest model to $140,000 for the top-of-the-line.
        That’s for a car that’s not as well engineered and much less reliable than a Toyota or Honda. But it’s vastly more show-offy.

        http://www.jaguarusa.com/all-models/all-models/index.html

        I like the styling of the ’60s Jaguar models, but the company long ago decided to make them ugly instead.

  7. I posted on his site asking if God just didn’t care as much about his wife as he did him. I am now blocked from posting there.

      1. The answer? The god “Dr” Kidd worships is very different to the God I worship. And it may go by the name Phil Kidd.

        1. Golly gee, Your Highness, that’s the same name as the good doctor!! How coincidental!

      2. Indeed.
        Leslie Kidd is not Phil Kidd, therefore …
        Leslie < Phil
        Come to think of it,
        Leslie < God < Phil

  8. Following fundy “theology”, she must have some sin in her life and God is teaching her a lesson. Thus said my fundy aunt to my mother after a bad car accident left her in the hospital.

    1. Well, she had the bad judgment to get into a car driven by a nut who’s always trying to prove how macho he is.
      I’d call that more of a mistake than a sin, but then, I’m not a Fundamentalist.

    1. I, too, wondered what it would take to disarrange a buzzcut on a mostly-bald man.

  10. Empathy is a completely alien concept to most fundies. Not only as shown here, but in a comment made a few years ago by one who refused the idea of food for the hungry saying it would send them to hell with a full stomach. Or a pastor’s wife who blasted brokenhearted moms on Mothers Day by saying it’s “only” a “man-made” holiday. Yeah right, you wouldn’t know it from the fuss most churches make over Mothers Day. And the one that takes the cake. Someone attempted suicide. Family member calls best friend in fundy church. Best friend responds by saying “did you know they told so and so that so and so should get a divorce?” Never a comment to the effect of “I’m sorry,” “I’ll be praying,” “how can I help” etc. And only thing fundy pastor said was “they’re in the flesh.” Gotta love that fundy “empathy!”

    3. Actually, Mother’s Day was invented by a woman, Anna Jarvis.

      Some years later, after the day had become a vehicle for consumerism, Ms. Jarvis regretted what she had done.

    2. He may be a jester, but most of his jibes are about how unjust it is that he isn’t on the throne.

  12. Go read the comments people have written – he is an pompous ass! Someone wrote, to those asking why a Jag to “touch not the Lord’s annoited.” He didn’t write about his wife because she asked him not to. For people so ” bound for glory” – how come they aren’t pissed they are still alive?

    1. “how come they aren’t pissed they are still alive”
      Funny how that works, eh?

  13. There are seriously no words. The guy is a complete and utter fraud, besides being psychologically messed up.

    1. It’s safe to assume little Phil got dropped on the head a few (dozen?) times as a tot. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work like on old sitcoms, where an additional blow to the noggin can cure the effects of a previous one, or Phil might be getting better after the recent aerial auto adventure.

    1. I’m guessing Consumer Reports & NHTSB would be interested in the design flaw by Jag on this model. 🙂

  15. because Jesus wanted us to drive a new Jaguar and write with mont blonc pens….but more seriously…
    i’m so very sorry for his wife. She has a long road of recovery.
    My question is why would God see to it that his hair was okay, his fancy suit not even rumpled, his mont blonc pen was still in his pocket…and then allow such serious injuries to his wife?

    1. In the Old Testament there were passages stating that God would bless the nation Israel if its people followed him perfectly. By the time Jesus walked the earth, people had misapplied the passages to individual people. “Who sinned that this man be born blind?” “Whose fault is it that that tower collapsed?” In each time, Jesus explained that it wasn’t caused by a person’s sin. The rain falls on the just and the unjust.

      Fundies still misunderstand, but I believe they do so deliberately. They use fear to terrify people into being controlled. If you step out of God’s will, he’ll get you. If you do the right thing, you’ll get a shiny new jaguar or whatever.

      The reality? Things happen.

      Phil Kidd tried to use his lack of injury to deceive his followers into thinking he was a super spiritual person, therefore receiving God’s providential blessing. The fact is that his deception is smashed by both his wife’s actual condition and his lack of empathy for her. He’s a manipulative man. I would love to find out what actually happened in that car accident.

      I feel sorry for his wife, and I hope she heals quickly.

    2. I’m so separated from the world I’d never even heard of that brand of pen until this news. That’s how holy I am. Now I can’t humbly proclaim how separated I am from such luxuries. Whatever will I do?

        7. Well, I can’t afford a Jaguar, but I can afford a Jägermeister, so it looks like that’s what it’ll be… 😛

      2. I knew what Mont Blanc pens are, but I prefer the Zebra 701/402 hybrid. Writes well, fairly indestructible (important in an industry with harsh chemicals and dangerous tools), and affordable for anyone.

        An ignorant blowhard with a Mont Blanc is “as a jewel of gold in a swine’s snout” (Proverbs 11:22a KJV)

        2. Correct, Paul.
          I’d post a picture here, but it would be more not-safe-for-work than even I want to go to.

        1. They are nice pens, though– they write at least as well as a 25-cent Bic or Papermate.

        2. If he was really following the olde paths, his goose feather quill and bottle of oak gall ink wouldn’t have gotten bent or spilled.

        3. C’mon we need a “where my pen is” comment, but not from me ’cause I’m a girl

        4. Maybe if we all yell “Shirley” our friends Scorpio and Otto will come blowing in.

        8. The pen may be okay, but any fountain pen that’s been flipped a few times at 65 mph is going to make the pocket it was in very much not okay.

      4. I suppose I should take this time to confess something to you all: I don’t write with quills or Mont Blancs, but I do wear Louboutin shoes.

        4. Louboutin shoes. Humph. Never heard of ’em.

          Maybe they’d be good for the Spring mud in Alaska?

        7. I’m beginning to think that maybe “Fundystan” isn’t your last name, Doc. You probably aren’t a doctor, either. 😉

          You really should go over to the forum side, Dr F.

        8. Am too a doctor! Honorary, too, which is the only real kind.
          Can you imagine going to an honorary proctologist? Well, that’s what you’ve got coming, my friend! I was awarded it after successfully removing my head from my ass; now I help others do the same…

        9. I don’t know much about honorary proctologists, but I’ve heard a good deal about what it was like for Bob Jones students to be treated by an honorary psychologist. Based on their experiences, I’m not eager to try it.

        10. High five, Lady Semp. I’m a Loub girl, too. I bought my first pair with a bonus from my first grownup job and they’re still in good shape ten years later. Now they have lots of friends in my closet.

          And who uses fancy pens anymore? An iPad might not be as elegant but it seems safer than keeping a sharp metal tube in your chest pocket while driving at roll over speeds.

    3. Probably because God wants him to have a new wife to go along with his nice pen and his Jaguar.

        1. He’s already looking for one… whether at the nearest Bible college or in the youth group, who knows?

    4. Nobody who cares about writing uses a mont blanc. For pen people, it is like buying a Tag Heuer watch – priced more than a Seiko and less than a Rolex, but you are getting Timex quality. A better choice would be a Lamy fountain pen. Machined from aluminum and only about $60; refillable. It will take a few years to break the cost per use threshold, but it will last a lifetime, and it has a nice clean modern look that doesn’t make the user look like a tool. Oh, and the nib is like butta’.

        1. “Give me a $1.00 10-pack of Bics any day. ”

          Absolutely. That’s what Jesus used when he wrote the KJV.

        2. I knew it! Thanks for confirming my spirituality. I’ll use it to rub in others’ faces as necessary.

        3. It’s the $1.00 10-pack for me, too. I almost always lose a pen before it runs out of ink, so the fact that you can refill a Mont Blanc or a Lamy is irrelevant for me.

        4. Nope. A cheap pen is a cheap pen, and Bics are the cheapest of the cheap. Nothing screams cheap to me more than the quality of a church pen or business pen purchased in bulk based on a line item in a spreadsheet.

          A good pen shows a company or church or organization put thought into what they are offering. It’s their best foot forward. Heck, I’ve personally emailed businesses that had awesome pens at events and asked for more…and gotten handfuls and thanks!

          tl;dr – if you use a Bic you may as well worship satan

        5. I prefer the cheap pens from Big Lots.

          Cello. In India, they sell quality writing instruments at a cost appropriate for such. In America, they sell cheap ballpoints at low-end retailers.

    5. I have a Mont Blanc pen set, but it belonged to my late father, who had been given it by a boss. My dad died last June and mom gave it to me at Christmas. I cried because it was such a tangible reminder of my dad.

  16. “Jealous jealous jealous…
    People like you a dime a dozen!!!”

    Dr. Phil Kidd in his comments

    1. “A man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing.”

      (Oscar Wilde)

    2. And yet Jesus spent (wasted?) his precious blood to save those “dime a dozen” people.

      Phil Kidd is an asshat.

      1. Somehow I feel that you’re insulting both asses and hats by calling him that.

  18. His comments show absolutely no caring or valuing of his wife. If she did ask him not to post anything about herself, it was probably a self-protection reflex kicking in.

    I’m with you, Darrell. I thought I had the lowest respect I could for him from his inane comments and attitudes, but he found a way to dig the hole deeper.

    1. He mentioned on that page in a previous post that she was undergoing tests.

      1. But when questioned about his (obvious) lack of concern he posted the following on 5/5/15, “Wife is great- she’s up helping my daughter cook today. Thank you for asking.”

        It was on 5/7/15 she posted about the fractures in her neck.

        I wonder if it ever occurred to him that she should not be up cooking. Probably never crossed his mind.

        1. Not be up & cooking? She’s the wife/woman! She should always be up & cooking for him! 🙁

        2. Unfortunately, he is too much of a “man” to help his daughter cook and do some things for his wife. I grew up in a home with 3 brothers and each of us 4 boys and dad had more testosterone in our little finger nail than Phil Dirt has in his whole body,,,,and we watched and learned from dad how to be real men by helping around the house and being tender to mom when we needed to, and yet kicking butt if the need should arise with another male. Phil dirt is a puss of the lowest form……I would take him on in a ring in a second……..then he would be crying out to the Lord. His kind makes me sick..

        4. In my family, real men did their chores, and took their turns at cooking and laundry duty &c.

  19. In his defense, it does look like an older Jaguar that somebody might have given to him. If you attempt great things for God, you should expect great things from God. What would it say if he had only been “blessed” with a 10 year old Mazda? Hmm?

    1. He says it’s a new Jag. It does seem to be looking a little frayed at the edges now though. Bad stewardship.

        1. More like a lot of Bondo.
          Plus some plastic bags taped where the window glass used to be.

    1. Yep. Kidd is man-sexy.

      Like Borat in a monokini. And if you didn’t see ‘Borat’ I feel sorry for you.

  21. Maybe you can help me understand something. Why do followers defend the right for a pastor to live in luxury? I saw similar comments when it was pointed out that Dave Ramsey lived in a humongous, multi-million dollar house. Usually the defenders are those who don’t have 25 cents in their bank account. Where does this come from?

    For some, I’m sure it’s prosperity gospel teachings. For others, it’s “defend the MOG” syndrome. However, that attitude is so widespread that there’s got to be more to it than that. Any thoughts?

    1. It’s a personality cult. You defend the “Man of God” at all costs. In everything. Even when you find out he’s committing or covering up crimes.

    2. In our church it was an attitude of ” look at all the persecution our pastor is under in trying to bring the gospel to the lost in (insert city). He is so much more bold and busy than I am in serving Jesus, he should have more than I do, at least have all the comforts of this world”

    3. I’ve heard them take the passage from I Tim 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour – they explain that this refers to money (and they may have some support — in context, it does appear to be talking about pay).

      These pastors often go on at length about how hard they work, and what a load they carry — so much more than everyone else that they need these things to relax.

        1. Tiarali, I have known one. And the one who I can say truly did was over 70, and he was actually on his way out of IFB, admitting at age 70 that Contemporary music was good and that his view on Bible versions was wrong and that being in a denomination had great benefits. He had what I think was genuine humility.

    4. I’ll add two other possibilities.
      1. There are poor laity who see their poverty as an indication of what “terrible people” they are. They didn’t love their neighbor enough or spend enough time at church, so that’s why they don’t have any money. So, they feel like they deserve their lot in life and their pastor (who must clearly be a good person) is of such character that he deserves to have such things. That’s why they have no trouble defending the rich, brand-name pastor.

      2. Then, there are the rich laity who like nice things as well and happily spend lavishly on their own comfort. You can’t criticize the pastor for his spending because you might have to turn the microscope on your own spending. So, be sure to defend the pastor’s right to spend as much as he wants so you can justify your own spending.

      In fact, we might perhaps see a bit of #2 further downthread.

      1. “In fact, we might perhaps see a bit of #2 further downthread.”

        Guess I’d better bring some toilet paper, then. :wicked:

        1. I think you meant twisted, rather than wicked:
          😈

          Also, I still use html 3 tags instead of “span” because I am lazy. But the tags are still supported in pretty much every browser (except possibly Sleipnir, but any Gecko or WebCore based browsers should support old tags). Am I rambling again?

    5. Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh’s devotees claimed to be happy that he spent their money on a different Rolls Royce for every day of the month (plus a few spares), so that he could go at least a month without having to ride in the same Rolls twice.

    6. I read somewhere that it’s about living vicariously. I cannot afford a luxurious house or a fancy car, but at least I can relate, through the church, to the MOG who has those.

    7. There are few genuinely poor people in the US, only temporarily-embarrassed millionaires who think and vote in concert with their currently-fortunate brothers and sisters.

  23. I cannot tell if the Jaguar was really “new” or merely “new to him” – but it does seem rather out of place to be so sure to try to impress others with the things he owns.

    I knew that Mont Blanc pens were expensive, but I didn’t know how much so — they range from about $225 to over $500.

    I already know that he doesn’t respect his wife; his “comedy” clip posted here had him accusing his wife of being unfaithful to him with a rat.

    1. You shouldn’t sign Bibles with a cheap pen. Folks are going to want to pass down their Bibles signed by ” The Greats” to future generations.

    2. I believe it is pretty easy to spend over $1,000 on a Mont Blanc pen, and the people that tell you they have a Mont Blanc pen aren’t buying/using the $250 version.

      Some people say that Mont Blanc’s can go on the douchebag detector list. Kidd seems to confirm this notion in my book.

      1. The top Mont Blanc models list for over $10,000.
        I didn’t even realize the douchebag scale went that high.

  25. My reply to Kidd’s “I love the ban and delete buttons”” comment lasted about two minutes. It appears he has nothing better to do than troll his comments to keep his ego inflated. I was going to post my comment to him here, but copied another comment to transfer and lost the first.

    I pretty much told him he removed comments because he was not intelligent enough to engage truth and logic and had no Scriptural knowledge outside of a few cherry-picked passages he twisted for his own means. I wish his worshipers would open their eyes and join us on the other side of the fence.

    1. My reply to his comment seems to be still there still, although I’m sure I didn’t see it when I checked. Thanks for the “likes”, even if one is from my daughter!

      Here it is so that I don’t lose it again, and to feed my narcissism also–

      That’s because you aren’t intelligent enough to make an argument to any thoughtful, logical people, and you have absolutely no concept of Scripture other than a few cherry-picked passages you like to twist to your own home-made doctrine. When you ban and delete, it shows just how small-minded and narcissistic you are.

      Maybe when I’m in Pigeon Forge in September, I’ll run into him. If so, I’ll greet him on behalf of SFL and thank him for the material he provides.

    2. Incidentally, there are people who think that this commercial is hinting at the coming return of Christ in September.

      1. How in the world do they get from boring clown-made breakfasts to eschatology predictions?

    3. Pretty heavily cribbed from “Nineteen Eighty-Four,” but nicely done, nevertheless.

      2. When this “film” was first released, I thought of 1984 also, but found it to be well done and amusing. I may harbor just a bit of status quo rebellion and be a bit anti-McDonalds, so I might not be an impartial judge.

  27. I don’t care about the Jag, pen, etc. I’ve known several pastors who ran businesses on the side and did quite well which allowed them to minister at smaller churches which couldn’t afford full-time pastors. This is ‘Merica. I wish we were all wealthy .

    Having said that…
    1) Dr. Phil, you’d better hope she signed a prenup. And I hope you didn’t. And I hope her eyes are opened. (Mrs. Kidd, I’m praying for you.) Any husband who makes a promotional video off his wife’s injuries ain’t worth the slop fed to hogs.
    2) With others, I doubt either the 65 mph or the 4.5 rollovers.
    3) If this had happened to a member of your church, I’m guessing the story would have been about God getting His tithe money back by repossessing a Jag. It might be wise for you to ponder if God was tearing down an idol in your life.

    1. I’m pretty sure you’ll find that this particular pastor gets all his money from the people in his congregation, or from other congregations that he speaks at. You’ll probably find that many of them are terribly pressured into paying money that they cannot afford, and the staff who work for him are paid less than their worth for the work that they do.

      1. Example: Jerry Falwell was pastor of a large congregation which paid him a generous salary. He also was a college (er, university) president. Salary #2.

        Then there were the outside speaking fees and the book and tape sales. A lot of expenses were tax-deductible, and that helped.

        He died a very wealthy man.

        2. No he didn’t, he was flat broke. The insurance policy the church took out on him is what kept Liberty afloat until they found other revenue streams.

    2. Number 3 is what I keep thinking. If this happened to someone else, a fundy minister would likely to say that God didn’t want the person to have spent all that money on a car and God destroyed it to teach the person a lesson.

  28. I don’t care about the Jag, pen, etc. I’ve known several pastors who ran businesses on the side and did quite well which allowed them to minister at smaller churches which couldn’t afford full-time pastors. This is ‘Merica. I wish we were all wealthy .

    Having said that…
    1) Dr. Phil, you’d better hope she signed a prenup. And I hope you didn’t. And I hope her eyes are opened. (Mrs. Kidd, I’m praying for you.) Any husband who makes a promotional video off his wife’s injuries ain’t worth the slop fed to hogs.
    2) With others, I doubt either the 65 mph or the 4.5 rollovers.
    3) If this had happened to a member of your church, I’m guessing the story would have been about God getting His tithe money back by repossessing a Jag. It might be wise for you to ponder if God was tearing down an idol in your life.

    1. It isn’t the possessions, Incog; it is the fact that he is so insecure that he has to drop brands while discussing his accident. He could just have said, “Car flipped” and “pen didn’t move.” Instead he communicated, “Insecure ass with priorities in all the wrong places.” Like a teenager.

      1. Now now, let’s give him some credit. He didn’t say “Armani” suit coat. 😉

    2. Anyone can drive a BMW, but setting your keychain on the bar as a chick magnet is what makes a % of BMW owners douches.

      1. Actually, anyone can’t drive a BMW. Unfortunately, some peeps (mostly men) believe that they can drive because they bought a car that does most of the work for them. I have a 2000 Ford Ranger (V6, 5sp, solid rear axle) that I thrash the hell out of and have embarrassed far too many new car owners on our local twisty. But I went to driving school, and know the limits of my vehicle. Just because you can afford a douche-mobile doesn’t mean you can drive it.

    3. Prenups are signed by both sides in a marriage, I think. That’s why they are called “pre-nuptial agreements.”

  29. Check out the welcome page on his website and you’ll certainly want to throw up. This “ministry” is all about one thing, and that’s Dr. Kidd. I’d love to see his website’s statistics. I seriously doubt “Over 1,000,000 viewers have visited this site” or his claim that “Buildings everywhere overflow with crowds that drive long distances to hear this man of God thunder God’s Word.” I’m thinking that he’s overcompensating for something extremely small based on his need to impress us with his car, his pen, and his hoards of followers.

    1. If you think his welcome page is sickening, wait till you get to his racist screeds.

      1. Is it bad that one of my first thoughts on reading the tweet was “But was your Confederate Flag window sticker damaged?”

    2. I’m wondering if the accident happened while he was driving to his “Mixed Martial Arts Camp,” which I think could be more accurately described as his Clueless Scuffling in the Dirt Camp.

  30. It really bugs me when a member of the clergy rubs his flock’s noses in the fact that he lives much better than they do. I don’t want to sound crass but the members of this man’s church pay for the privilege of serving God while he reaps the benefits of his alleged higher calling. I don’t have a problem with a minister earning a living but if you really have been called by God, I don’t think you would spend your time bragging about the stuff your position has enabled you to acquire.

  31. Reading the comments makes me think he preys on the poorly educated. I feel sorry for his wife and I also feel sorry for the people who support him out of what must be slim purses. God doesn’t want his “kids” to be “poppers”? Took me a while to figure out what that poster was saying.
    Why did he even have to mention the kind of car, let alone the pen? That made it instantly about him and his stuff, not the fact that he wasn’t hurt. He didn’t have to say anything more than being thankful both he and his wife survived a bad car accident. The rest just makes him look like an ass. What is inside will always come out.
    By the way, does he even know the meaning of the word pervert? He calls people who criticize him perverts. Um…what?

    1. Well, if the poorly educated were my biggest supporters, then I’d make sure that I discouraged them from getting any sort of useful education.

      I bet they’ve never thought that

    2. “Reading the comments makes me think he preys on the poorly educated.”

      I’d say it’s a safe bet he isn’t aiming for the Rhodes Scholar slice of the intellectual marketplace.

      1. Seriously, Big Gary. Do you know how long it took me to figure out what “poppers” meant?

        4. Thank you, Miriam. All I could think of was jalapeño poppers, and I don’t want anyone I know to become one of them either.

    3. I’m also wondering about his statement that he was driving down an Interstate at 65 mph. In a Jaguar.

      My guess is that he was going well over the speed limit, if he crashed through a barricade and the car flipped at least four times.

    5. From my understanding, ‘perverts’ was directly targeted at people inquiring about how his wife was doing.

      And there is NOTHING sexual about asking if someone with a damaged neck is doing okay, and it REALLY says something about someone if he thinks other people wondering about his wife’s well-being after physical injury is creepy and unChristian and perverted.

      1. Really? So all those people asking about my health are perverts?
        I never would have guessed.

      2. He’s probably calling people perverts who he deletes their comments, but then responds anyway. It’s a great way into both insulting your sheep, and confusing any 3rd parties that aren’t aware of your idiosyncrasies.

      3. And here I was just thinking he didn’t know what the word pervert meant. That is worse. Wow.

    2. It’s certainly bad advertising for the whole “God is my co-pilot” crowd.

  33. Ya know, I never had a Fiat ad on SFL until this talk of Kidd and his Jag. Maybe he should’ve been driving a Fiat.

      1. We survived impact with a tree after my husband passed out at the wheel a few years ago. In a second hand Ford. Just sayin’

      2. My parents were in a serious accident the first Thanksgiving I was at PCC. The cop who was first at the scene said the fact that they were in a Volvo most likely saved their lives.

  34. And, a few months from now, I can just hear Kidd it at the end of a service…

    “I hate to imagine, Pastor So-and-So, I hate to imagine what would have happened if I’d been the slightest bit out of the will of God. What if I were a lost man and my car had caught fire and the skin had melted off my face, like the story I’ve told in my sermon on Hell. Pick up a CD on my table in the back for a $20 love offering…”

    That guy scared us to death. And evangelists … ugh. The whole category are so full of themselves, and quite obviously the best-paid in IFB. Now I’m having childhood flashbacks.

    Anyone else here ever helped Kidd setup for a tent revival? Guy was a 1st class jerk.

    1. As long as you put the “1st class” first, he’s probably happy to be called that.

  35. After some of the stuff Fill Dirt Kidd said about his wife in his “comedy” act, I didn’t really suspect him of having a lot of concern for her. But yeah, this is pretty much an all-time low.
    He boasts about driving a new Jaguar, and wrecking it, and about how his hair (which he has very little of, as I recall) and clothes weren’t mussed, while not bothering to mention that his wife’s spine was fractured.

    “And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love.”
    (1 Corinthians 13:13)

    I guess he loves his Mont Blanc pen …

    1. Now who’s the pervert? That ain’t the Monarch Jimmy you’re quoting.

    2. To quote Jesus: “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh”

      1. It’s self, Jaguar, hair, suit, pen, … I was going to say “then wife,” but since she doesn’t make his list of concerns at all, I won’t.

        1. Geez, what is it with you and Scorpio? You two never know the location of your pens.

  38. I want to meet the person that believes you can roll your car 4.5 times and not have your hair messed up. Like the lies he thinks he can tell and be believed are stupefying.

  39. It turns out the old phrase needs some updating: Both Absolute & Perceived Power both corrupt absolutely.

  40. As an domestic abuse survivor, I can’t help but wonder if the accident is the result of Kidd screaming at his wife & not focusing in the road.

    Adding that she has injuries & he doesn’t, I further suspect him of striking her incidental to the crash.

    I hope I’m being overly imaginative.

      1. I think the suggestion was the perhaps even the opposite: yelling at her with his mind off driving, crash happened, she was blamed, cue the physical abuse.

        If they were still in the car and it happened immediately before witnesses were checking on them, no one would ever know what injuries came from what.

        1. True story: when my husband passed out at the wheel (due to a mix up on his doc’s part with meds) my daughter and I thought he had fallen asleep and we both slapped him, gently at first and then pretty hard, across the face. Someone called 911 and told the cops that two women were beating up the driver of a van that went off the road and hit a tree.

        2. “… two women were beating up the driver of a van …”
          Technically true, although there were extenuating circumstances …

  41. I was never a fan of his, even when I was still IFB. However, that is not the subject here. The question is how nice is too nice for a preacher. 1. You do not always know what someone has gone through to get to the point of enjoying something they have always wanted. 2. If almost seems that Darrell has some IFB mentality in him. The attitude of some church members. The attitude of that’s too nice, and you don’t deserve it. The attitude that the preacher must never have nice things. He is to be a man, always, of humble means, and suffer, and barely get by, for the rest of his life. That is, after all, part of his calling. No where in scripture was that ever taught. Just food for thought there. As to the differences in the story, yes, I agree that part raises red flags. Over exaggeration is probably at work here.

    1. I disagree. As has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread, there was no need to mention the type of car or the type of pen. That he did was an indication of how he thinks. My two cents worth.

      1. I was addressing the general subject. I am in no way defending Phil, personally. I agree that was complete over kill.

        1. A pen that costs $250 is overkill and ridiculous. I don’t care what you’ve been through, spending $250 on a PEN is stupid.

        6. RobM, thanks to Big Brother, I have an Amazon ad for a Mont Blanc pen at the bargain price of $261 and change. I could buy it and offer it to menofgid and tell them it will save them from serious injury as they drive down the interstate. If Binaca and crying at a grave are good enough for Hyles and his minions, then the Mont Blanc pen should be for Kidds’ minions.

        7. There’s a large gulf between “nice things” and extreme luxury in a conspicuous way. Tony Campolo would say there’s nothing wrong with earning a lot of money, but there is something very wrong with keeping it. That seems to have a lot more scriptural support than the life of Phil Kidd.

        8. It is not our place to decide that for others. That’s the libertarian coming out of me though.

    2. I’m less concerned at the moment with what kind of fancy consumer products he owned than that he was more concerned with telling us about them, including brand names, than in the fact that he had just caused his wife’s spine to be fractuered when he crashed his car.

      1. My mother was in a someone-elses-fault accident recently, and all of us list off her condition first when talking about it (she’s fine) or at most immediately after mentioning the car was totaled to convey how serious what happened could have been.

        THEN we talk about Early Mother’s Day with-additional-safety-features sitting in the driveway and the fact we just lost the car I finally passed my driving test in. Which is NOT brand-name dropping.

      2. BG gets it. Do I think owning a Jaguar or Mont Blanc is foolish? Absolutely. In fact, it kind of says, “Low class; came into too much money; doesn’t know the value of a whistle.” But I don’t actually care if this is how he would waste his money. It is the fact that he is so insecure that he has to drop name brands that reveals his character.

      1. Maybe we should all chip in and buy Darrell a jag and a nice pen for his mentality

    4. Bullshit, Adam. “The Point” is the kind of douche-baggery it takes to drop (expensive) brand names while discussing a (fairly bad) auto accident. It is low class, sure, but it also says something about his values – something not good.

    5. I do not what part of Fundystan you came from, Adam, but I came from the one where we were CONSTANTLY told to sacrifice our money (including retirement plan, vacations, rainy day savings, etc.) for the pastor’s grand vision of a campus with millions of dollars in buildings, all while the pastor lived in luxury.

      So while I never desired for pastors to live in poverty, fleecing the flock is unconscionable – and it happens often. I suspect Kidd is an example of this…and he seems pretty proud of it too.

      1. I dare guess most IFB pastors don’t make much money or live in luxury.

        the Admiral

        1. Not compared to him.

          I do notice, though, that when the economy goes bad, more people find they have the call to preach and establish small churches to the sustaining of their bank acc (cough) to the glory of God.

    6. Actually the bible does speak about this, but most IFB’s misunderstand. The bible calls us to live modestly. IFB’s try and make that about covering up skin because perverts should never be accountable for their own thoughts, but in reality it’s about christians deliberately not appearing overly wealthy so that there is no division within the church and all feel welcome.

      Nice things? Nothing wrong. Deliberately owning luxury brands and specifically calling out those names on social media so that everybody knows how much wealth you have? Not ok.

  42. If said douche bag has time to delete and ban, does someone here want to take that risk and post a link to this thread so he can come read this? Then he’ll preach about Darrell.

    1. Don’t think he hasn’t already read everything on this site today.
      Do you think a guy like Kidd is going to not look at comments about him??

  43. Firstly, he is one sick sob. As an ex-sect/cult member whose leaders preferred luxury German cars, I do wonder at the attempt of such leaders to make up for their lack of education etc by accumulation in stature and worldly goods.

    As to pens: Since I’ve been working for myself, I prefer to stock up in pens and usb drives at conventions and conferences – it really helps the stationary budget.

  44. I hope Mrs. Kidd gets a clue after the comments made by her husband and seeks some kind of separation. He sounds dangerous-if he isn’t already abusing her physically already. I think the emotional abuse, given his comments regarding the accident, are already obvious.

    1. I have no idea if he abuses her physically, but that he is an emotional abuser is pretty damned obvious.

    2. She won’t. If she were to leave him, she would be demonised. She would lose every friend she has. She would lose all family support. She would have no means to support herself. She would believe that she was going to pay the spiritual penalty forever, that God is going to get her. She is trapped, in every sense of the word.

  45. The Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord…oh wait!

  46. According to Dr. Kidd, he commented in his thread:
    “My wife ask not to be commented on much is why she’s mentioned little- now shut up!!!”

    That is the saddest excuse I have ever heard. “Honey, don’t mention me when you are telling people the close encounter with death that we had….let them all worry about me.”

    And the “now shut up!!!” really speaks the love he has for his wife and other people…..wouldn’t you think he would appreciate that people cared enough to ask about his wife and point out the need for him to mention how she was doing? Nope, if you aren’t talking about him, “shut up”

    1. It’s funny because he’s making all these retorts but deleting the comments he’s addressing. So it looks like he’s talking to himself

      1. I noticed that too….he makes the effort to respond but takes the message down or does banning someone from your wall delete any messages? …how is someone to know he is responding to their comment?

    2. One of the few times I find Phil Dirt Kidd credible is when he claims that his wife begs him not to talk about her in public– given the kinds of things he says when he does mention her (see his “comedy DVDs” featured here previously).

    4. He didn’t just not talk about her. If that was all, a simple post saying “my wife would like some privacy at the moment. Thanks for your concerns.”

      But it’s not the lack of information that is concerning people. It’s that he’s lying. He’s making out that there was no injury caused by the crash. Not a hair of his head was misplaced. He’s not just avoiding discussing his wife, he’s saying the opposite of her actual condition.

    1. I kept thinking of Jack Hyles’ children when I read that.
      Every descriptive sentence fits them.

    2. My childhood and resulting adult life in words. Thanks dad and fundamentalism.

  48. Having just revisted Phil Kidd’s post, no wonder his wife wanted to be left out…she probably didn’t want to be part of his boasting! I was in a serious car accident where my vehicle was totalled and my vehicle went underwater into a ravine and a truck driver came by and pullled me out from my submerged vehicle. I recall how scared I was and how it was the grace of God that brought me through. Not “look at me, not one broken bone, etc.” And as I recall I think my long hair was all in place, but never thought to say that to anyone, lol.

    1. What kind of person, after surviving a roll-over high-speed car crash, has the first thought “How does my hair look?”

      2. Phil’s hair looks like a possum crawled on top of his bald head and died. Rolled craps right there and never moved.

        2. I thought IT (that stuff on the top of that weird lump perched at the end of his neck) was a fresh roadkill. George must go to Phiily the Kidd’s church.

  49. From his website:

    “His labor has not been without persecution and misunderstandings. ”

    This equals to, “Don’t listen to anyone who persecutes (disagrees with) or misunderstands (disagrees with) the great, fake, doctor Phil Kidd,” the most holy Billy Sunday reincarnated.

    B.R.1

    1. All the people who disagree with me just aren’t smart enough to grasp my lofty thoughts.
      Yeah, that’s it. That must be what it is.

  50. Its disturbing that he really doesn’t mention his wife….but it is also disturbing that his entire theology that he was protected Divinely from injury with not a hair out of place–while his wife suffered some decent size injuries–implies that God is not watching over his wife or anyone else who is injured or killed in an accident like God is watching over him…
    even more disturbing are all the comments supporting that sick theology. “You have more work to do for the Lord”….but those two kids who died in a crash in my area–well they weren’t worth as much as Dr. Kidd to save.

    1. There is a reason it is called MAN of God. Now shut up!!! and make me a sammich.

      (Ok, I wrote that to mock Philly the Kidd, but am actually embarrassed now that I see it written out. Please forgive my crass sense of humor).

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