309 thoughts on “Fundy Tweet Of the Week: Reformation Is Like the Holocaust”

    1. First!

      And cause the Reformation totally cause millions of people to be killed in terrible ways.

      Or, you know, made people question what they were being taught. Which is cool when you’re in a reasonable church. Not so when you’re a fundy and your teachings are nonsensical.

      Also – what will the internet age be? Now the information is getting to the people! Fundy pastors can’t control it anymore. Oh noes!

  4. 😯

    No one can be that dumb…right?

    As a side note, does that mean this maroon supports the RCC?

    1. No, I suspect he just really hates Calvinism (and perhaps Lutherans?) and associates that with the Reformation.

      1. I wasn’t serious. I figured he just hates Calvinism and Lutherans too… especially since they are just like Catholics but without a pope. (seriously heard that one time)

        1. Ha! That’s not too far from the truth: I always feel much more at home in a catholic mass than in most protestant services, but then I like my church to be “churchy”.

    3. I’m sure he hates all of them: Catholics, Calvinists, Lutherans, etc. What better representative of the religion of love? But remember, no pastor in Fundamentalism will censure him, even those pastors who know full well that he is utterly wrong and is slandering the brethren and the martyrs.

      1. ^ Win.

        hat is what gets me about IFB. “We gotta separate. Gotta be separate. Can’t compromise.” Blah blah blah.

        If you want to really separate from someone, separate from those who deserve it; those in your own denomination (Yeah I said it! 😛 ) that teach heresy, are unrepentant child abusers, adulterers and liars!

    1. He may be one of those characters who says the Baptist church was the original one, and the Catholics and all others are renegades.

      1. Well, John was John the Baptist, not John the Lutheran. Amen?*

        *Heard from an IFB pulpit.

        1. Some people say that John was a Baptist,
          Some folks say he was a Jew,
          But your holy scripture tells you
          That he was a preacher too.

          (Woody Guthrie)

        2. The irony of the “John was a Baptist” nonsense is that if the fundy twist on that is true, then the Baptist Church preceeds Christ!

      2. That’s what he believes!

        “PreacherLoganParton ‏@PreacherLogan 4h
        @ReformedFundy there was Bible believing baptists before the reformation. The reformed doctrine perverted the Gospel of Christ.”

        So I take it “A Mighty Fortress is Our God” is banned in Baptist churches?

    2. I am sure he has been taught that the original Church was Baptist in practice, if not in name. 🙄 Therefore everyone else is wrong. Just see The Trail of Blood. 😥

  6. So close.

    Back to the topic of the article. I can’t make any sense of his statement. Perhaps he meant “renaissance” and was trying to link modernism to all of Christianity’s ills. That still wouldn’t explain his link to the Holocaust . . . the ignorance hurts.

  7. I was at the National Holocaust Museum in D.C. yesterday. I see no comparison.

    If it were not for the Protestant Reformation, the Baptist church as we know it would not exist. Claim all they want that they are not Protestant, but a true church history study shows that, in spite of The Trail of Blood, to be accurate.

    1. The emergence of the Independent Baptists from the various theories of the reformers is, at best, a mixed blessing. The emergence of an emphasis on educating conscience, on replacing tradition with instruction from the Scripture, on exercising grace and tolerance to dissenters, are far more worthy outcomes of the Reformation, none of which are that notable among Independent Baptists.

      1. Re: shifting the focus from tradition to the Scriptures. Let’s not forget that the concept of “the Scriptures” as most Christians use the term today (i.e., the “Bible”) is itself a matter of church tradition.

    2. This.

      This right here. I’ve said this until I’m blue in the face – to no avail. The thing is, I don’t mind ignorance, for we are all ignorant in one thing or another and therefore must be taught.

      When you are willfully ignorant though… 😕

      1. Simple ignorance is tolerable, and arrogance is tolerable, but arrogant ignorance is unbearable.

    3. SFL: willful ignorance about the fact that American Baptist churches have their heritage in protestant and puritan movements and theology

      1. I’ve heard brethren fundamentalists make the same claim (we’re not protestant, there was always a remnant who followed the NT church in practice).

        1. I’ve heard that as well, but I think it’s silly and quite happily would call myself a Protestant. Sure, I don’t base my beliefs in protests against the Roman Catholic Church, but then again, most Protestants haven’t for quite a while.

        2. The “we’re not Protestant” thing stems from the fundy belief that other protestant churches think that before the reformation all “Christians” were Roman Catholics. Fundies don’t like this because they think that implies that there have been Catholic Christians. Of course, to them, that is impossible. They believe that since Jesus said his church would not fail then a fortiori there MUST have always been “true” (i.e. not Catholic) Christians at all times including pre-reformation. Those “true” Christians were, of course, Baptists (or brethren or whatever other anachronistic fill in the blank denomination you like).

        3. “There was always a remnant who followed the NT church in practice”

          I have ALWAYS contended exactly that, and am an example of it!

        4. I certainly believe that there have always been believers who trusted Christ throughout the ages, both inside and outside organized denominations. I also trust that even some of those who held to inaccurate doctrines or did things that we look back on with dislike, disgust, or even horror, may still have been covered by the Blood.

          It’s something I do wonder about — how much inaccuracy is enough to keep one from being truly saved or how much of the truth one must acknowledge. Certain things I do believe are essential, but not everything.

        5. @PW
          I have often thought about that as well. John Newton did not give up the Slave trade until years after his conversion. Yet his Amazing Grace” is one of the most sound theological songs ever written.

    4. Hey, I’m in DC on a business trip right now as well. Planning on a few museum visits tomorrow. Thinking Air and Space for sure, beyond that I haven’t decided…what’s your must-see one?

        1. …And the Marines Memorial of the Flag Raising at Iwo Jima.

          If you get the chance go by Marin Corps headquarters one evening at 8th and I Streets and watch the Silent Drill Team.

        2. Well JFK really isn’t there. He is in a special nursing home in TX. The Tomb of the Unknowns are also the secret hiding place of our government secrets.

      2. Oh, awesome! DC is fantastic, and everything is free! I highly recommend the national art gallery (real pre-impression Picassos, DaVinci even, Rodan), National Air and Space, and that old Smithsonian “castle”. If you have time the National Museum of Natural History is a must-see. The Hope Diamond was on display while I was there.

        1. I’ve been to both the National Air & Space Museum in the district & the location out in Dulles. I don’t remember what all was in the District one, I know there’s a blackbird stealth aircraft & the Enola Gay in Dulles.

        2. The District museum has a ton of space-flight stuff, including a few rockets set up to walk through, etc. Some early flight stuff, a pretty large section on naval aviation from WWII-Tomcat era. Drones. Oh, and a wicked simulator where you can dogfight for a few dollars short of a fortune.

        3. If I recall the Dulles one has the Space Shuttle Enterprise (a prototype, and not actually flown if memory serves), but awesome to see a space shuttle that close up.

      3. The Vietnam Memorial is pretty impressive. So are the remembrance tokens that people sometimes leave there beside it.

      4. Last time I was in Washington, D.C., it was 1979. My parents did take us to the Air and Space Museum.

        Have a good trip.

      5. DC has so many great things to see you could visit a different one every day of your life and never repeat one.
        I like all the Smithsonian art galleries and the National Zoo.
        My wife is a big fan of the Museum of the American Indian.

        1. Oh, the aquarium and the Native American museums are also must-see. Darn it, you’re going to need two trips! The last time I was there they had a special on steam locomotives at one of the museums that was very cool. And don’t forget the spy museum! It is kind of on the kid level, but includes some incredibly goofy gadgets – some fiction, some fact. Cool stuff.

        2. Yes, it’s impossible to see everything in one trip. Good to know I can come back when my daughter is older though and not be like “I saw that already.” 😎

      6. For places to eat, I highly recommend Matchbox pizzeria in Chinatown (near the Verizon Center). Also Tortilla Coast just south of the Capitol (across the street from the metro stop “Capitol South”) is excellent too.

      7. Also, whatever you do, don’t (1) take pictures or eat/drink in the metro stations or on the train, (2) block the doors on the metro trains, or (3) be an “escalefter”.

      8. Thanks for the tips, all. I got out of the office early today and did make it to the Air and Space (in DC, not by Dulles), and managed to drop by the National Archives just before they closed. I’ve got all day Saturday before flying back home so I’ll be planning out my day tonight.

      9. I’m in D.C. right now, flying back to ATL in the morning. We saw the Archives, Museum of American History, Holocaust Museum, and a (very)short trip to Natural History.
        We had seen Natural History before, but wanted to see part again. They are all good. Air and Space is my favorite, but since I’ve been three times, I was kind to my wife and did not drag her through it.
        Usually the Museums close at 5:00, but yesterday and today most of them were open until 7:30. My feet are whooped.

        They are all good to visit. A lot to see. It just depends on what you are interested in.

        Dr. Fundystan, the Hope diamond was still there about 5:15 this afternoon.

        As That Other Jean says, the Vietnam Memorial is impressive. I recommend the Korean War Memorial across the Mall, though. Especially early on a foggy morning. Goose-bump inducing.

        1. I’ve done all the war memorials except the Korean. But I had heard that – it’s on my list for the morning.

      2. Is the name of the church actually a misspelling that no one caught yet?

        I say that because of the framed church covenant hanging in their photo.

        4. But what if the church made the mistake first, then the town later named the street to match?

          Covement, covemont, covenent, covenant…

        5. @Semp – why would it be “an”? My understanding was that “an” came before a word starting with a vowel (or occasionally “h”), and “a” before consonants.
          Not that it matters, but I’m curious.

        6. Janet, since the FB page says “a Old Fashion” there should be the same kind of mistake by saying “an Covemont”. That’s my kind of weird humor.

        7. No, Semp, that makes sense. I would have found it funny if I’d gotten it. I was all grammar-nazi, and you were trying to make a joke. Thanks for clarifying for those who missed the joke. 😀

    2. On that church’s page, the pastor posts the story of Jesus healing the woman with an issue of blood and Jairus’ daughter. He points out that the woman had been suffering for 12 years, and had evidently had a child 12 years ago, and that Jairus’ daughter was 12 years old – so the woman was clearly the mother of Jairus’ daughter!

      1. I heard that preached before. It always struck me as more of a coincidence. Families were quite large back then so there were probably quite a few 12 year olds in the area. I find it possible but not probable that the girl was Jairus’ daughter.
        The Bible doesn’t say that it was Jairus’ daughter. That should give anyone pause who thinks that it was.

      2. This kind of stretch drives me nuts. Why make the connection? It’s not supported at all; even if there were that relationship…so? What does it matter? Why waste time on it, other than maybe to show just how much smarter(?) we are to our peers for making such an asstoot observation.

      4. Why would Jairius’ wife be out in a crowd instead of at home with her dying daughter?

        I’d never heard that claim before, but I think it’s ridiculous.

    3. I don’t want to start some crazy meme again, but is there a huge guy sitting on their piano keyboard?

    4. An Old Fashioned church? I’ve never been to a Baptist church where they hand me a whiskey cocktail with an orange slice when I come in the door. That’s real hospitality!

    3. This is right out of rules for radicals – Blame your opponents for exactly what you do. Every extrabiblical fundy doctrine which damages the gospel and pollutes sanctification with the demonic doctrines of works has more in common with platonic dualism and gnosticism than any historic view of Salvation. These are clearly a perversion of the faith once delivered to the saints while Calvinism is drawn from the Scriptures as is Arminianism – they just draw decidedly different conclusions – both have a strong view of scripture unlike the modern day peddlers of man-centered, guilt-laden works salvation/sanctification.

      1. I’m not certain that projection is out of a rules for radicals. Holding opposition to their own proclaimed standards, using negative attacks over a long period of time, personalizing and polarizing the opposition are the closest ones I can think of.

    4. Augustine and the Gnostics, sounds like a rock band!

      Augustine was the FIRST church father to teach many gnostic ideas! The primary one being that man has no “free will!”

      I use “church father” cautiously, because he certainly isn’t in a line of faith that I would claim!

    1. Yup. I thought about leaving a comment on his site, particularly his hack-job of explaining Calvinism.

      But why bother? The man is comfortable in his ignorance and would be totally unwilling to see any other point of view.

  12. I propose a name change to Fundy Twit of the Week.

    I guess the Reformation is Hitler? My brain hurts. I am thankful that I have one to hurt.

      1. So sorry that you thought I was stealibg your idea. In reality I was imitating Tarantino and giving you an uncredited homage from which I hoped to make millions. If you are upset it is because you don’t understand me or my work.

        (Seriously though, I didn’t see your post the other day. I am going to chalk this up to great minds)

        1. George! Just because I have a cold and am currently pronouncing stealing as “stealibg” doesn’t mean I wish to write it that way!

  13. He just proved how terribly ignorant he is of the issue he is attempting to critique.

  14. On the blog, he says that baptism is necessary for church membership (cause the early church totally had church membership, haymen?)

    I can’t remember – was the apostle Paul ever baptised?

    1. I looked in Acts to see about Paul’s baptism. Chapter 9, verse 18 says he was, probably by Ananias.

    2. Much as I find the IFB abhorrent, Christians should not disregard baptism. Jesus said to make disciples by Baptizing and teaching them. Paul certainly was baptized and expounds on the benefits of it for Christians throughout the New Testament. It does put us into the Church and Christ, it is not about membership to “individual” churches.

      1. I am not against baptism. I have been baptised, and my oldest child has been too. I find the argument that you can’t be a member of our church unless you’ve been baptised to be a little too much. My sister postponed her baptism (which did eventually happen) because of her chronic shyness. She loved God but couldn’t stand to be on stage in front of so many people. Should she be considered less of a member of the church because of her shyness?

        Not something I’m angry about, just something I’m thinking about.

    3. I have no problem with Baptism being the rite of intiation into church membership. It has been so since ancient times.

      But if you claim that Baptism is either necessary or sufficient for salvation, there we will part company.

      1. Same basic thoughts here.

        I grew up in an SBC church with a submersion phobia, one that appears to be relatively common in my family. Our family therefore thinks of baptism as the sign of faith you eventually make towards the world and towards other Christians – it isn’t required for salvation, and when the time is right you’ll know.

        I prayed the prayer in elementary school, from cobbled together memories of invitationals at a leading I could never have ignored with no adult or other child the least bit aware of what I was doing. The phobia was there, a leading towards baptism was not, so I waited and none of my family members pushed the issue.

        Our church, however, thought nothing of having guest speakers at the pulpit who thought otherwise, leading to the lovely situation of me being required to sit through one of these talks in order to finish the entrance requirements for AWANA in the fourth grade. Just before the bullying at school started. Cue major issues – it’s the only time I’ve ever doubted my salvation and it was not in the least bit my fault that happened.

        Meanwhile, I still had the phobia. And when I did go forward to finally be baptized, sure enough I felt a leading just as strong and as sure as the day I’d prayed to become a Christian years before.

        (And sure enough, the pastor counted me as a conversion he’d caused, when that had actually happened under the previous pastor, and made it look that way in front of the entire church… and now they’re sitting on my records since I left.)

        I don’t see how it could be required for salvation if I felt those leadings so far apart. I *cannot* see the Holy Spirit leaving a kid’s soul at risk for seven years like that, given that the phobia didn’t shift an inch and the only real change was the pull forward.

        And I have a lot more issues with the idea I may be presumed to be lying about my baptism and required to go through that again depending on where I end up in the future (If you think someone would lie about that, why would you accept them into the congregation at all?) instead of with the fact the majority of churches want at least an affirmation that someone was baptized, because it *is* a testimony to the existing Christian community that one believes.

      2. “But if you claim that Baptism is either necessary or sufficient for salvation, there we will part company.”

        But it too has been perceived that way since ancient times.

        2. Unless, of course, they did a quick baptism of the thief on the cross. You know, so he could be “really” saved.

        3. Very true! Jesus never declared his sins forgiven! Maybe the thief got to paradise and found out that “surprise, you you weren’t baptized! It’s back downstairs for you”! 🙂

        4. *baptized being defined as a full immersion of an “Age of Accountability (TM)” human being (3yo+) who said witnesses that he/she said the right prayer with the right words and the approved attitude.

        5. I don’t think there’s any religious tradition that says baptism is sufficient for salvation. As for necessary– I think they all would allow exceptions in dire circumstances, such as death bed conversions.

      3. Wow. I realize most of us come from backgrounds were Baptism was treated as a one time even and not a daily reality. We are saved by faith apart from works. Faith is a gift from God. Just because the thief on the cross was not baptized is not a paradigm for believers. It is only unbelief that condemns. The Apsotles were clearly told to Baptize and teach the Nations to make disciples. The Apostle Paul talked about Baptism as beneficial to us, delivering the benefits of Christ’s death. If we see it that way then it’s a gift to us. Look up those verses concerning Baptism, Paul nowhere suggests that people are to be congratulated for getting it done, but makes clear declarations regarding what God has done to us through Baptism into Christ. Baptism while we are told to do it is not our work for God. As far as fear of immersion, that I can understand people in wheelchairs have this problem too. I’m not opposed to other methods such as pouring.

  15. I think it is safe to assume that Parton has never read a book on the Holocaust or the Reformation.
    If he has, it failed to penetrate the thick layer of ignorance smothering his soul.

    I have met a lot of fundy Mogs in my life. Only a handful were avid readers. By sheer coincidence I am sure, most of the avid readers have subsequently left fundystan.

    Some fundies do indeed read books. After they read the book, they color the pictures and connect the dots before they get on Twitter and try to sound smart.

    (My ill-tempered rant is partly directed at the man in the post but mostly directed at one of my fundy relatives who just joined Twitter)

    1. My personal favorite of those that do read is “the qualifier”. Like if they quote a Reformed blog or link they say, “I’m not sure about all their teachings and affiliations but this was really good.” Happens frequently on my FB feed. I find the younger IFB are reading more.

        1. Thanks Scorpio, proving I probably assimilated that post years ago and totally forgot about it. Today is still not the day an original thought occurs to me. Darrell’s astute observations are a force. Though your SFL archival retrieval skills are unparalleled.

  16. Is it bad that the hover-text made me laugh?

    In all seriousness, this was just a bad analogy made by an immature person. He admits on his blog that he has had a lack of Biblical training for much of his life. That is fine – nothing wrong there. However, what (given that information) would make him think that he is qualified to be an evangelist?

    1. If he can holler, then he’s qualified. Intellect and things like the fruits of the spirit are not requirements for the job.

  17. My first reaction when I read this was a sharp intake of breath. What an ignorant statement.

    I’ve been trying to figure out his analogy. I’m guessing he means that the Reformation killed millions of souls like the Holocaust killed millions of Jews (and others). But wouldn’t a Baptist believe that the Reformation saved millions by getting them away from Catholicism?

    What am I missing?

    1. Fundies believe that because the protestant denominations emerged from the Catholic church, they are forever irrevocably tainted by the evils of Catholicism.

  18. Fundies love to compare the holocaust to anything they don’t agree with. It cheapens the actual historical nightmare that happened to the Jews that he has no right or even experience to talk about.

    1. Had to happen, Godwin’s law…it just usually takes a few posts to get there, not usually the first step out of the gate.

      1. captain – I was going to post this exact same thing. This guy automatically loses the argument right off the bat by invoking Godwin’s law in his initial post.

  19. I don’t get it. I was always taught in the fundy circles I moved in that the REformation was a good thing where people started reading the Bible and stopped being CAtholic.
    Is there a certain brand of fundy that doesn’t approve of the Reformation? Never met one.

  20. Wow. He really really really does not like Calvinism. According to him and his website, ‘Calvinism is the doctrine of devils’

        1. No, there’s a commenter/forum guy that goes on preposterous anti-calvinism rants. It wasn’t what you said, he was saying that commenter would be thrilled with Preacher Logan’s unintelligent anti-calvinism screeds.

        2. Sorry Myers,
          Yeah, that wasn’t aimed at you. RobM caught what I was saying. I’ve had some long discussions on the forum about this subject. While I’m not a Calvinist, I respect Calvin’s views on God and his Systematic Theology. I figured that there will soon be a post praising Parton’s stand but rejecting his fundyism. That was what the *3-2-1 was for.

        3. Ok. Thanks, guys. That was one of my very first comments on SFL (lurking for a few months now) and I thought that I was getting off to a very bad start 🙂

        4. Then I guess I should give you a hearty “Welcome Aboard The Black Pearl of Great Price Before Swine” Glad to have you sailing with us. 😎

        5. Thank you for the welcome, Don. I’ve been following SFL for awhile now and I love it. For Darrell (and all of you) to put into words the cultish craziness of fundamentalism is hilarious and sad at the same time. I’m just now beginning to realize that God is not a mean bully who wants to punish me. I feel like I was brainwashed for 30 years.
          This blog is so refreshing! 🙂

        7. If a screed means quoting the word of God, yea I do go on anti-calvin “screeds” occasionally!

          “…just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men” Rom 5:18

          When the next one of you philosophers gets to speak to James White, please ask him how many men did Christ’s crucifixion bring life for?

  21. My fundy relative posted on Twitter that young people should not be so eager to leave their hometowns since God never told anyone to do that.

    I emailed him to ask if he had forgotten about Abraham? I haven’t gotten a response yet.

    Jesus, David, Joseph, Daniel, Jonah, Paul and a few other major Biblical characters had to leave their hometowns as well to accomplish what God wanted them to do.

    2. And your fundy relative should think about giving up his car, since Jesus never said it was okay to do anything other than walking or riding donkeys. Jesus did without electricity, too.

      1. …and maybe his house since: “The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.” that is if they want to get “literal” about it.

      1. I think Kreine is saying the swears at and/or about the @PreacherLogan guy or at least his ingnoramus tweet.

        1. Yes. The arrogant, ignorant, mendacious prevarication short-circuited my mental reflexes to the point of incoherence.

          It’s like comparing apples to zebras.

  23. His “you’re not a real baptist” tweets are just as stunningly uninformed. Much less offensive, but has no clue what actual Baptist theology is if he thinks he can go around telling other people they aren’t Baptists.

    1. Exactly. Baptist theology supposedly stresses individual soul liberty and the priesthood of the believer, but this kind of fundy denies those very things.

      1. In the American & Baptist traditions he has every right to make a fool of himself, but it isn’t advised! 🙂

        For rights to be real I suppose someone has to exercise them.

    1. He probably thinks that’s a good thing. Until he comes over to SFL and takes a look around.

      Then I am sure he will tweet that SFL is like the Holocaust to God’s 2nd choice for his earthly people, IFBs.

      1. Everything I disagree with or don’t like is like Hitler and/or the Holocaust, hay-men?

    2. His “Proof” that everything he is saying is right, good, of his god and correct: he is being persecuted here on SFL so that means he is right with gid and should march on, fighting the good fight, etc, etc, etc. 🙄

  25. Also, not ever to downplay the Holocaust referring to them as “God’s earthly people” in that context is totally wrong but true to their Eschatology.

    1. All people are God’s earthly people, unless you somehow skipped the books of the prophets and the New Testament.

      1. Big Gary, perhaps I misundersood you. My writing is usually half baked. The current nation of Israel no longer has the status as God’s covenant people like in the OT. The sacrificial system and accompanying laws that were Judaism are fulfilled in Christ. In Christ there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile, obviously nations still exist.

        I don’t see anything on his page about a Rapture, I assumed he was doing what many Pre-Trib people do by calling them God’s people. Romans 11 deals with the fact that God has not forgotten them. Fundamentalists know they will only be brought in through Christ but still want to keep them distinct in a way that serves their Eschatology.

        1. “Fundamentalists know they will only be brought in through Christ but still want to keep them distinct in a way that serves their Eschatology.”

          Exactly. They want to have it both ways. They(Fundies) are God’s real chosen, but the Jews exist as instruments of their hocus-pocus mashed-up end times prophecies.

          I was referring to the passages where the prophets say that the real chidren of God are those who do justice, whether Hebrew or Gentile. Jesus, and later Paul, say much the same things. Much in the spirit of John the Baptist, who told the Jews:
          “Do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our ancestor’; for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham.” (Matthew 3:9)

          Writing to a group of Gentile Christians, Paul says:
          “His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two [Jews and Gentiles], thus making peace, and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.”
          …
          “Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household …”
          Ephesians 2: 15-16, 19

          And:
          There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to the promise.
          Galatians 3:28-29

  28. He’s noticed that we’re here. (Wish I could get the screenshot of his follow-up tweet, but Mr. Computer is being cantankerous this morning.) Logan’s sad that so many people are confused.

    You know, when you follow 114 people, and only 34 people are following you…
    Maybe if you stopped calling yourself “Preacher Logan” and just went with “Logan”…just saying. Don’t many people who introduce themselves as “Mechanic Dave” or “Plumber Carl”.

      1. I’m going to start going by Pastrix. Not Pastrix Kreine, just Pastrix.

        It doesn’t matter that I’m not actually ordained nor a church leader. 🙄

  29. Don’t meet many people…

    Will the person closest to George please slap him for me?

    1. Believe me, you don’t want to start a fight with George. If you slap him, he will migrate off SFL and stalk you across the internet messing up everything you write.

      Soon you will be wishing people a Happy Birthgay on Facebook, sending your boss a Get Well, Loon message and hitting Reply All on your emails when it is most embarrassing.
      Meanwhile, George will laugh and laugh and laugh at your ungood grammar and silly spilling mistakes.

      Never pick a fight with George. You can’t win.

  31. The English Bible and the ordinary people’s access to the Bible was the result of the Reformation. Many died to make that happen. The Holocaust produced nothing but hate, death, destruction and sadness. It was an example of the sins of pride, self-righteousness and idolatry run amok. Luckily he only has 84 followers. I pray the LORD of grace changes his hard heart

  32. “I am 100% Old Fashion, Independent, Fundamental, Premillennial, PreTribulational, and King James Version only and if you don’t like it that way, I don’t care…”

    *typo* It should be “old fashioned”

      1. If I had to guess, Preacher Parton is a juvenile who likes to go on Twitter and say stupid stuff to start a fight. Anyone who would misuse a human tragedy that did not affect him, such as the Holocaust, is a twit who thinks he is provocative.

        He will then, no doubt, use the backlash against his ignorance as proof that he is being persecuted or we can’t handle the truth or some such nonsense.

        Mr. Parton, if you are indeed lurking here I will address you directly. You should be ashamed of yourself. Your behavior reflects juvenile, self-centered behavior. You should take time to think about what profit comes from your Tweet. It appears to be designed to start an argument.

        No doubt you think of yourself as a man of God. In reality, your Tweet is the action of a boy, not a man.
        Put away childish things sir.

        1. Leave me alone George! This was not supposed to be a reply.

          George bothers me the most when I have taken cold medicine. It is not nice to pick on the ill you little rascal!

        2. Well he did receive The Call™ to preach at the ripe old age of 16. Because everyone knows what they want to do for the rest of their lives at that age.

  34. See the “bible Blog”

    another pastor with a website which gets a flurry of writing (3 articles in one day) when the site goes live and then…. nothing….

    All that stored up “wisdom” dumped in one afternoon and then no new material. Mind you, they hand out PhDs in fundyland for less.

    1. He is too busy to update the blog when he has tweets like this to send out into cyberspace.

      Fundy Cyberspace – where no one can hear you scream.

  35. Both his website and the church’s website have 3 flags prominently displayed. Like we couldn’t guess but they are the:

    US Flag
    Israel Flag
    Baptist Flag

    1. I remember us being accused of mocking the Baptist flag. If I remember correctly, the accusation was accurate.

        1. The guys name was Burke. A real mocker would have suggested he look up his last name on Urban Dictionary.

  36. Wow, thats…um…well…then there’s…

    Never mind.

    Not going to bother checking his website, but wouldn’t be surprised to find numerous quotes of Charles “The Great Prince of Preachers” Spurgeon (and also most-decidedly a Calvinist)

    2. I’ve actually had someone tell me Spurgeon was not a true Calvinist because he evangelized and true Calvinist don’t do that.

  37. Why do I get the feeling he isn’t talking about the Thirty Years War- which really did kill millions? But that would argue historical research, so …….

  38. Ironically, he tweeted a month ago…

    “I’m all for soul winning and spreading the gospel. But you must let God convict the heart before anyone can be saved.”

    That doesn’t sound like a Calvinistic interpretation of salvation at all…

    1. You could argue that’s a reference to either prevenient grace or irresistible grace, or even some other (but less formed) humbler soteriology than he expresses in most of his tweets.

  39. It strikes me as odd that he lists all of the things that define him, and then says if we don’t like it that way, he doesn’t care. Who would feel welcome after a message like that – if they don’t agree? I wouldn’t look twice at this if I were looking for a church, especially if I were unsaved. Isn’t the whole point to draw people in? You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

    (Might I also add that posting this is making me shake – because I’m criticizing a pastor, and I feel as if my salvation is at stake. 🙁 )

    2. I just saw a household hint on the Interwebs about how to use apple cider vinegar to trap fruit flies. I’ll let y’all know how it goes.

      1. Wine works, too. I fill a shallow ramekin with water and then add about 2 tablespoons of red wine. It works great! And yes, RobM, emotional abuse out the wazoo! Lots of emotional scars. Thank God for well educated pastors!

    3. Robot Gypsy,

      Pastors are not equal to an old testament prophet.

      They are not speaking God’s words, unless they are reading Scripture directly.

      You are allowed to disagree with them. If they write or say something publicly, you certainly can disagree with them publicly…Following the example of the Bereans, you are obligated to. It is up to Christians to make sure their leaders stick with the truth.

      I have had a few angry Fundy pastors threaten me with she-bears over the years, but God has never seemed to find that to be an appropriate response. 😆

      1. She Bears are scary! 😉 Thank you, though. It was a big step for me to be able to even post that. ` :mrgreen:

        1. Welcome out of the fundy bubble! We’re glad that you made it. It’s a little weird out here at times, but there’s not nearly as much to fear as you’ve been taught.

        2. Thank God for that. Also, let me clarify – I didn’t mean that he actually should be kinder – he doesn’t need followers. He reminds me of a teenager who has been bullied, and turns his bullying right back out on other people.

      2. Actually, I kind of wish we could equate Pastors (IFB) with the Old Testament Prophets.

        Then when they spoke things that are not true and that do not come to pass, they could be stoned!

  40. Oh the stupid! It huts! “Preacher” Logan sounds like my 13yr old brother when he tries to argue using misguided comparisons about things he doesn’t understand. *bangsheadondesk*

      1. My mistake… 😳 Certainly not a pillar in the church with statements like that 🙄

        I’ve tried to delete the mistaken one, but can’t find the delete button…

    2. “Rice looked at the Protestant Reformation and could hear the singing of literally millions of redeemed souls. Parton looks at the same period in the history of the church of Jesus Christ and hears the curses of the Gestapo and the screams of 6,000,000 gassed Jews.”

      Love how you put this. Very well said.

      1. Cinderella story, out of nowhere, former greenskeeper, now about to become the Masters champion. [swings, pulverizes yet another flower] It looks like a mirac- it’s in the hole! It’s in the hole!
        😆

  43. “I believe that the 66 books that comprise the King James Version Bible are the verbally inspired Word of God, inerrant and infallible, and the guide and final authority in matters of faith and day to day life, interpreted by the Holy Spirit to each individual believer.”

    If you’re going to be a blowhard about the King James Bible, you should at least know that the 1611 King James Version contained 80 books (including the Apocrypha), not 66.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_of_the_King_James_Version

    Also, “comprise” means “include” or “consist of,” so the Bible comprises the (80 or 66) books; the books don’t comprise the Bible.

    2. Thank you for pointing out both of his errors. I will say that even educated people confuse “comprise” and “compose”. I’ll give Mr Parton a pass on the “comprise” issue. I’ll not give him a pass on the 66 books though.

  45. @preacher Logan Parton: Don’t tweet when you’ve been drinking. You end up posting stupid crap that you’ll regret ever having said. And should you ever decide to look for a real job, your prospective (secular) employer will google your dumb ass. Then you’ll be rejected for employment for having that great combination of blinding arrogance and searing ignorance.

  46. Pastor Logan Parton’s website: Logan is portrayed waving his KJV, apparently hollering, standing in front of pink upholstered empty pews nestled against 1950s wood paneled walls. Makes me think of the age old question from that part of the country: “If a man divorces his wife, is she still his sister?”

    1. I’ve always heard that more location specific: “If a man in KY or WV divorces his wife….”

        1. I grew up not far from KY in TN. These jokes are making me a bit uncomfortable since I never felt that way about my sister. Besides, she is a married woman. The word is she makes my brother very happy.

    2. Pink upholstery? We’ll have to separate from him and his ilk! Pink’s the color of the gayz!

  47. The sad thing is that there is a large possibility that he will get no smarter as he gets older.

    I am reminded of one of Paul’s exhortations: “Lay hands suddenly on no man,…” He received his license or whatever way too soon.

  48. My people also went through a holocaust – in fact, Hitler is said to have justified his genocide by saying “Nobody remembers the Armenians.” Coming from that background, I find Logan’s tweet beyond ignorant – it is downright disgusting. What exactly are the points of comparison between the reformation (which allowed the baptist expression to emerge in Christendom) and the holocaust? Were your relatives raped and buried alive? Did soldiers rip earings from their ears as they rode by, impale babies on their bayonets and leave them to die slowly? Have them dig their own graves before clubbing them and burying them? Crucify rows of naked girls along the streets? The man is a fool.

    1. There were some wars surrounding the Reformation, but still, comparing it to the Nazi mass murders or the Armenian genocide is downright obscene.

  50. Ill-informed; ill-tempered; ill-mannered; and, ignorant. Nothing new to see here, folks. Please move along. ➡

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