19 thoughts on “Questioning The Masculinity of Young Men”
Yes, ok, I know that Paul Washer isn’t a fundamentalist in name. But my motto is that fundy is as fundy does and this sort of thing is very common in fundamentalism.
Guilt is a great motivator used expertly by FB’s ;However, it usually doesn’t last and they need to keep heaping on the guilt. Now a motivation founded on love is another story.
The story about the two young men who “sold themselves into slavery” sounds apocryphal to me.
I find this kind of ironic, since Fundamentalists tried to emasculate me for four years.
LOL – did he pass out sell-yourself-into-slavery apps afterwards? He must have had a bad experience with Facebook…
I don’t get this whole “questioning masculinity” mess going on in both Fundamentalism and conservative evangelicalism. AFAIC, masculinity (or femininity when the case may be) is in every cell of a person’s body. I can’t do anything to emasculate my husband any more than he could de-feminize me. Sexuality is secure in Christ and in DNA. It’s not going anywhere. I know from personal experience that no amount of “masculine” pursuits (read: higher education, handywork around the house, knowledge of cars, etc.) has harmed any part of what makes me female, nor has it harmed any single women, widows, or married women with husbands away from home. Yet somehow manhood is so fragile according to so many books and sermons that one wrong move from a woman will shatter it? Wow, what an insult to men and women alike.
What you said! 😀 And for the record the fake and creepy “femininity” of the IFB is a man-made crock of shit. 😯 😎
“I know from personal experience that no amount of “masculine” pursuits (read: higher education, handywork around the house, knowledge of cars, etc.) has harmed any part of what makes me female, nor has it harmed any single women, widows, or married women with husbands away from home. Yet somehow manhood is so fragile according to so many books and sermons that one wrong move from a woman will shatter it? Wow, what an insult to men and women alike.”
I couldn’t agree more. I can’t stand the idea that somehow women are responsible for their husband’s spiritual success. Sure, a woman can be critical and nagging, and that probably will upset any husband, but at some point they have to take responsibility for their response to her actions. I think a lot of fundy women who preach that are just trying to make idols out of themselves.
This is one of the guilt trips the IFB imposes on women. And it’s one of the things that caused me to doubt the doctrine, which was a stepping stone to my rejection of fundamentalism. How many times have women heard in those idiot women’s meetings that the woman is the Holy Spirit of the home? Where is that in the Bible? Nowhere. The Holy Spirit is referred to as “He” just like the Father and the Son. But they say the woman is the Holy Spirit of the home, meaning she sets the mood and if she’s cranky the whole house will be cranky, but it’s all her fault. She’s not allowed to have moods, she has to be UP all the time. Or in Hyles-speak “Topside.” I can’t count how many times our former fundy pastor said we needed to be on topside all the time. So no matter how you feel, if PMS or menopause is hitting you, you have to be “topside” since if you’re not everyone else will be down, they will follow your moods. 😕
Bull puckey! How many times have I been in a good mood and my husband came home upset over something? The mood of the whole house changed just like that. And it was not my doing! How dare they guilt trip women in this way or in any way? They say we’re the “weaker vessel” then let them take responsibility! 👿
I could say more, like how they continually blame women for Eve’s sin, and guilt trip us over something she did, which is not our fault but I have other things to do today. 👿
I *think* Jack Hyles is mainly responsible for pushing this perfidy.
hahahaha go on the website and watch the ones about masturbation then facebook and myspace pictures……. hahahaha
Why is this masculinity expert setting off my gaydar?
He says “writing things” makes you “like a little girl.”
What does he think of Paul, or the authors of the Gospels?
If not for Poe’s Law, I would be convinced this is a satire. A rather broad one.
Well then, why doesn’t THIS GUY go out and die for something rather than posting rants on the Internet?
I am also skeptical about the “sold themselves into slavery” story.
I can’t believe he’d commend two young men for selling themselves into slavery for life just so they could reach the other slaves. The Bible says you’re free don’t make yourselves the servants of men or something like that.
There is nothing wrong with facebook, my husband has had many opportunities to witness to others and help people in the Lord through it. One ministry is never superior to another just because Paul Washer says it is. Paul Washer also loves to cause people to doubt their salvation because they’re not 100% living for the Lord. Who is? I think he may be one of the most guilt tripping preacher I’ve ever heard. He’s not technically IFB, he’s southern Baptist but he’s not someone I want to listen to.
He certainly has the fundy “leap of logic” down cold, even if he isn’t technically IFB. So, according to him, because two young men sold themselves into slavery to bring the gospel to other slaves, going on facebook makes you a sissy. Really? How does the one follow the other?
I agree that what those two boys did (if it was a true story) was very admirable. And I agree that spending all your time on facebook isn’t a good thing. I fail to see how the two relate, though. 🙄
I’ve heard him preach an entire sermon on this topic, and the sermon, in its entirety, gives this short message a different meaning. He’s kind of abbreviating something he’s already said. The actual sermon goes more in depth. And he is right that too many males now never grow up to be men because they spend too much time with video games and the internet. They live for the next xbox or ps3 game or football game because that’s all they fill their lives with; meaningless entertainment. So don’t be too harsh on him. He does have a good point. He’s not saying that facebook in itself is bad, just how some people use it.
The story is about two Moravians, and it is borrowed from Paris Reidhead’s famous message, “Worthy is the Lamb.”
The thing I always wondered about this message, is why doesn’t it ever convict any pastors to refuse any pay and just to “pastor” as a service to the LORD. I mean, really, you live in the same town your whole life, and you can’t get a job, but you want to “convict” us with the story of these sold-out missionaries? How quickly would the “building fund” thermometer go up if you refused a pastoral salary?
I know this clip is a few years old, but I wanted to set the record straight. Here is the true story of the Moravian missionaries.
They DIDN’T die on that island. They only expressed a willingness to do so. They weren’t sold as slaves. They just expressed a willingness to do so. Admirable. But not the romanticized Paris Reidhead version.
Yes, ok, I know that Paul Washer isn’t a fundamentalist in name. But my motto is that fundy is as fundy does and this sort of thing is very common in fundamentalism.
Guilt is a great motivator used expertly by FB’s ;However, it usually doesn’t last and they need to keep heaping on the guilt. Now a motivation founded on love is another story.
The story about the two young men who “sold themselves into slavery” sounds apocryphal to me.
I find this kind of ironic, since Fundamentalists tried to emasculate me for four years.
LOL – did he pass out sell-yourself-into-slavery apps afterwards? He must have had a bad experience with Facebook…
I don’t get this whole “questioning masculinity” mess going on in both Fundamentalism and conservative evangelicalism. AFAIC, masculinity (or femininity when the case may be) is in every cell of a person’s body. I can’t do anything to emasculate my husband any more than he could de-feminize me. Sexuality is secure in Christ and in DNA. It’s not going anywhere. I know from personal experience that no amount of “masculine” pursuits (read: higher education, handywork around the house, knowledge of cars, etc.) has harmed any part of what makes me female, nor has it harmed any single women, widows, or married women with husbands away from home. Yet somehow manhood is so fragile according to so many books and sermons that one wrong move from a woman will shatter it? Wow, what an insult to men and women alike.
What you said! 😀 And for the record the fake and creepy “femininity” of the IFB is a man-made crock of shit. 😯 😎
“I know from personal experience that no amount of “masculine” pursuits (read: higher education, handywork around the house, knowledge of cars, etc.) has harmed any part of what makes me female, nor has it harmed any single women, widows, or married women with husbands away from home. Yet somehow manhood is so fragile according to so many books and sermons that one wrong move from a woman will shatter it? Wow, what an insult to men and women alike.”
I couldn’t agree more. I can’t stand the idea that somehow women are responsible for their husband’s spiritual success. Sure, a woman can be critical and nagging, and that probably will upset any husband, but at some point they have to take responsibility for their response to her actions. I think a lot of fundy women who preach that are just trying to make idols out of themselves.
This is one of the guilt trips the IFB imposes on women. And it’s one of the things that caused me to doubt the doctrine, which was a stepping stone to my rejection of fundamentalism. How many times have women heard in those idiot women’s meetings that the woman is the Holy Spirit of the home? Where is that in the Bible? Nowhere. The Holy Spirit is referred to as “He” just like the Father and the Son. But they say the woman is the Holy Spirit of the home, meaning she sets the mood and if she’s cranky the whole house will be cranky, but it’s all her fault. She’s not allowed to have moods, she has to be UP all the time. Or in Hyles-speak “Topside.” I can’t count how many times our former fundy pastor said we needed to be on topside all the time. So no matter how you feel, if PMS or menopause is hitting you, you have to be “topside” since if you’re not everyone else will be down, they will follow your moods. 😕
Bull puckey! How many times have I been in a good mood and my husband came home upset over something? The mood of the whole house changed just like that. And it was not my doing! How dare they guilt trip women in this way or in any way? They say we’re the “weaker vessel” then let them take responsibility! 👿
I could say more, like how they continually blame women for Eve’s sin, and guilt trip us over something she did, which is not our fault but I have other things to do today. 👿
I *think* Jack Hyles is mainly responsible for pushing this perfidy.
hahahaha go on the website and watch the ones about masturbation then facebook and myspace pictures……. hahahaha
Why is this masculinity expert setting off my gaydar?
He says “writing things” makes you “like a little girl.”
What does he think of Paul, or the authors of the Gospels?
If not for Poe’s Law, I would be convinced this is a satire. A rather broad one.
Well then, why doesn’t THIS GUY go out and die for something rather than posting rants on the Internet?
I am also skeptical about the “sold themselves into slavery” story.
I can’t believe he’d commend two young men for selling themselves into slavery for life just so they could reach the other slaves. The Bible says you’re free don’t make yourselves the servants of men or something like that.
There is nothing wrong with facebook, my husband has had many opportunities to witness to others and help people in the Lord through it. One ministry is never superior to another just because Paul Washer says it is. Paul Washer also loves to cause people to doubt their salvation because they’re not 100% living for the Lord. Who is? I think he may be one of the most guilt tripping preacher I’ve ever heard. He’s not technically IFB, he’s southern Baptist but he’s not someone I want to listen to.
He certainly has the fundy “leap of logic” down cold, even if he isn’t technically IFB. So, according to him, because two young men sold themselves into slavery to bring the gospel to other slaves, going on facebook makes you a sissy. Really? How does the one follow the other?
I agree that what those two boys did (if it was a true story) was very admirable. And I agree that spending all your time on facebook isn’t a good thing. I fail to see how the two relate, though. 🙄
I’ve heard him preach an entire sermon on this topic, and the sermon, in its entirety, gives this short message a different meaning. He’s kind of abbreviating something he’s already said. The actual sermon goes more in depth. And he is right that too many males now never grow up to be men because they spend too much time with video games and the internet. They live for the next xbox or ps3 game or football game because that’s all they fill their lives with; meaningless entertainment. So don’t be too harsh on him. He does have a good point. He’s not saying that facebook in itself is bad, just how some people use it.
The story is about two Moravians, and it is borrowed from Paris Reidhead’s famous message, “Worthy is the Lamb.”
The thing I always wondered about this message, is why doesn’t it ever convict any pastors to refuse any pay and just to “pastor” as a service to the LORD. I mean, really, you live in the same town your whole life, and you can’t get a job, but you want to “convict” us with the story of these sold-out missionaries? How quickly would the “building fund” thermometer go up if you refused a pastoral salary?
I know this clip is a few years old, but I wanted to set the record straight. Here is the true story of the Moravian missionaries.
They DIDN’T die on that island. They only expressed a willingness to do so. They weren’t sold as slaves. They just expressed a willingness to do so. Admirable. But not the romanticized Paris Reidhead version.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravian_slaves